Hi Roger, and All
The problem is The PB is not 0, they are there, individually( like all the
parts ) , they are OK and below the Limit of 1000 ppm,
Collectively, them may be below the limit, or maybe NOT, so, I'm afraid that
the 0+0+0+0 situation does not exist here. like Lead Free HAL,
It does contain Lead, so it is depends on the HAL area, the more, it will
carry more Lead.
SGS told me that they are performing a test for a complete TV Set from a TV
manufacturer. which cost 15,000 US$ to certify the entire TV set ( end
product) .
Which tells me that the individual compliance certificate is not enough for
them, otherwise, they would never need to perform that expensive test.
We will need to be in a position that each supplier is doing the right
thing, then this will ensure the end- manufacturing have a good chance to
have RoHS comply product. although it is not always
Regards,
Allan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stoops" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [LF] PCB Bare Board
Allan,
A similar situation faces all assemblers of electronic product, that
each component, along with solder, coating, adhesive, screws and
machined parts, all come together to make an assembly that must pass
RoHS requirements. As long as the mfgr/assembler can document and/or
verify that each component and process is RoHS compliant, then the end
product would be acceptable.
Example, if none of the materials used contain Pb, and no process
contains Pb, why would you then test for Pb and expect to find any
appreciable amount? (0+0+0+0>0?)
So if each raw material is in compliance as well as mfg'g process, then
the board would be acceptable.
If you wanted to qualify each type of board you build, that might be an
added bonus, but not necessarily added value.
Good to see you are concerned about providing the best product to your
customer.
Regards,
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Allan Zhang
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:24 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] PCB Bare Board
Hi Shawn, & All,
1, We do supply certificate to the customers for RoHS compliance
product, but it is based on the third party testing report on that
specific part no.
2, The test reports from the raw material vendo normally indicates :
None - Detection for those where we need to know the PPM is, It appears
fine for that single raw material, however, when the board is finished,
we will have more or less around more than 4 type of raw materials on
the board. If 4 x None - detection still = none detection ?
My point is, we can assume that each raw material is comply, however, do
we want to take the risk by assuming the bare board is hence comply too
?
I think some kind of Goldern Sample for each type of boards is what we
need to look at, as we don't want to test every part no, but, if we can
get the extream type certified, then we are safe.
Allan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn Vike" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: re[2]: [LF] PCB Bare Board
> I have a wire/cable vendor who is saying the same thing as you are.
> But I
must
> ask you, if you cannot supply me with the documentation for the bare
boards,
> how am I supposed to get it??
>
> If I can't go to my vendor, and request documentation on the product
> they
are
> supplying me, where the heck do I go? You are suppling laminate,
> plating,
mask
> and silk screen. How hard can it be for you to insure that all those
> are compliant and then issue a letter stating it? If you were
> supplying IC,
well
> fine, tell me to go to the manufacturer to get the info, after all the
> manufacturer is easily identifiable and controllable. But for PCBs
> this is
not
> so. I have found a vendor who is making RoHS compliant boards, he is
supplying
> a certificate, I have done my "due diligence". Those who cannot, or
> will
not,
> do this are losing business (at least from me).
>
> I think the key to making this whole thing work, which in my opinion
> is inevitable, is for all of us to quit passing the buck. We all have
> work to
do,
> it is a burden for us all, we all need to "suck it up" and get on with
it!
>
> Shawn Vike
>
>
> >> A topic About PCB Bare Board.
>
> >> Some Board loaders, or end users are asking us ( PCB Manufacturer
> )
to
> >> supplier a
> >> certificate type from all the raw material supplier certifying
> that
their
> >> individual raw material is RoHS compliance.
>
> >> We do not agree with this approach as we understand that the PCB
comply or
> >> not, will have to be judged by mg/KG ( PPM ) >> methode for the
> 6 substance concerned.
>
> >> also the correct way is : a finished bare PCB may have to be
> strip
apart
> >> to
> >> two parts, one ( in most cases ), Cu+SM+LF HAL, and >> two,
> Lam+SM+Legend
>
> >> Two of the parts has to be measured individually, and if only the
figure
> >> shows comply then this PCB is comply.
>
> >> My Questions:
> >> 1, Does anyone has a different view on this >> 2, Anyone has
> information about the UL - RSCS ( Restricted Substance >> Compliance
> Solutions ) ?
>
>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Allan Zhang
> >> Vice General Manager - Sales & Marketing >> Uniwell Electronic
> Ltd.
> >> www.uniwell.com.hk
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> >> From: "John Burke" <[log in to unmask]> >> To:
> <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:13 AM >>
> Subject: Re: [LF] "put on the market"
>
>
> >> > "Putting it on the market" is the act of making (the
> individual)
unit
> >> for
> >> > sale to a prospective buyer.
> >> >
> >> > Therefore your unit is NOT exempt if you put an individual unit
> "on
the
> >> > market" on or after the 13th August 2005 in the case of WEEE or
> 1st
July
> >> > 2006 in the case of RoHS unless your class of equipment has
> other >> > specifically referenced exemptions documented in the
acts.
> >> >
> >> > For the purposes of imported equipment, the unit clearing
> customs
is
> >> > generally the point at which it can be fairly said to be
> available
for
> >> sale
> >> > since before that point it is not available for sale.
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> >
> >> > John Burke.
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> > Avanex
> >> > John Burke
> >> > Senior Manager RoHS Compliance
> >> > [log in to unmask]
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> >> > Fremont
> >> > CA 94538
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> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Jim Nolan
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:43 AM >> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > Subject: [LF] "put on the market"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Our company management is still struggling with the term "put
> on
the
> >> > market". I have seen this interpreted as " the initial action
> of
making
> >> > a product available for the first time on the community market,
with a
> >> > view to distribution or use in the community". Our product was
designed
> >> > and introduced into the European market fifteen years ago,
therefore is
> >> > it exempt from RoHS and WEEE? Do the Directives refer to new
products
> >> > only? Where can I find clarification with regard to new and
> old
product
> >> > requirements?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> >
> >> > Jim
> >> >
> >> >
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