Yeah, here in the US they charge you a recycling fee whenever you buy a new battery, and you get it back when you turn in the old one, so frankly, Ive never seen an old car battery on the side of the road.
Wish it was practical or that they could do it for other trash though!
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From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Matthew Lamkin
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 2:26 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] Pb Sn Stripped PCB and Rohs - recycling car batteries.
Try the UK then, there are old car batteries on most street corners ;-)
Well, maybe jnot that often, but they are often abandoned because someone is too lazy to take them to a recycling centre.
Any dealers I have dealt with do not take them back.
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From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Charles Dolci
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:17 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] Pb Sn Stripped PCB and Rohs
Phil:
No flame here, but I am confused about where you live. I am also
confused about what the subject of the message is; your "they" and
"them" leave me confused. Are you talking about cars or car batteries?
To be honest, I almost never see cars abandoned on the side of the road.
Primarily because there is value even in a totally inoperable car. Been
to a "Pick & Pull" lately? I have a 1953 Chevy pickup truck so I
occassionally will visit a nearby Pick & Pull to see if there is
anything I could use. They will take any car, any make, model or
vintage, because there are always parts to scavenge from any car, before
it is finally hauled off to the crusher.
So, any car left alongside the road will soon be picked up and hauled
off to be scavenged. If you have an old clunker that just won't run
anymore, call the local junkyard - I think the going rate is about
$50.00 for it, regardless of the condition.
Regarding car batteries, do you really find car batteries abandoned in
parking lots and alongside hiways? I can not recall ever seeing an
abandoned car battery. Don't the car parts dealers in your area impose a
core charge when you buy a new battery that you then get back when you
bring in the old one? Everyone that sells batteries takes back the old
ones so I don't understand the business of having to takle them to
recycling centers. What recycling centers?
I really don't see this as a problem. Maybe it's just the neighborhood
you live in.
Chuck Dolci
Phil Nutting wrote:
>They are recycled only if returned to a recycling centre. Here in the States, were some of us are inconsiderate and lazy slobs, we just leave them in the car park or on the road side. It would be way too much work to properly pick up after ourselves and recycle things.
>
>But then this is only my personal opinion. It is supported by all the trash I have seen thrown out car windows and the crap along our roads. I'm not proud of some of my fellow countrymen. Oh boy, here come the flames.
>
>Phil
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James, Chris
>Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:24 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [LF] Pb Sn Stripped PCB and Rohs
>
>There is no issue with lead being present in a process just so long as there is no lead in the final RoHS compliant product being sold.
>
>RoHS is intended to prevent lead (in waste electronic product - WEEE) going into landfill, as it has been identified that WEEE makes up a significant proportion of landfill.
>
>Lead will still be used in accumulators etc. - in fact that's where most lead is used. The difference is that accumulators (car batteries) are recycled so the lead does not end up in landfill.
>
>Regards,
>Chris
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick
>Sent: 25 May 2005 14:16
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [LF] Pb Sn Stripped PCB and Rohs
>
>We are, ENIG is a cost adder.
>
>But that will be our next project after getting the remaining RoHS/WEEE Directives implemented.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Edward Szpruch
>Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:00 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [LF] Pb Sn Stripped PCB and Rohs
>
>Tin-lead is used as etch resist for alkaline etching of pattern plated
>PCB.After etching is stripped out.Completly.
>No left-overs.What does this process has in common with RoHS ??? There is NO
>lead on the PCB.
>The same is applied, for example, to Cyanide. ENIG finishing is involved in
>dipping the board in Cyanide containig Gold solution.Very toxic and very
>powerfull poison.
>Anyone is considering ban on ENIG finishing ???
>Edward
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: MA/NY DDave [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>>Sent: ד מאי 25 2005 7:19
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: [LF] Pb Sn Stripped PCB and Rohs
>>
>>Hi Roger, Mike, IPC LF Listservers,
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>I don't know all of the other EU Directives, particularly for those living
>>and working in the EU production industries. My expectation is that since
>>the EU is coming after lead in electrical and electronic equipment they
>>have already or will go after lead in the process and manufacturing
>>industries when a replacement process exists.
>>
>>Considering the date associated with the Whereas. That is some meeting or
>>resolution on 30Jul96 or 1996.07.30 my thought was that there should
>>already be on the books other directives limiting lead. I don't know yet
>>hope MikeF, and I believe Roger who live in the EU, are correct that this
>>isn't legislated yet in the EU.
>>
>>Why isn't this process of tin lead as an etch resist, and then later
>>completely stripped rather than reflowed for superbe long term storage and
>>solderability, on a replacement list?
>>
>>
>>Yours in Engineering, Dave
>>YiEngr, MA/NY DDave
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