Frank,
Thank you for the complement. And I agree with what you said. Our product lines are similar and in the past four years with my present company and 2 or 3 years with my former company I have only seen one occurance of Black Pad failure and that was on a development of a new integrated design but we've not had any occurance of Black Pad on product. However, my fear about ENIG is that none of the chemistry suppliers or board shops will give you a guarantee that it will never happen and if you believe in Murphy's Law it will happen when don't want it to happen. As one moves to higher and higher frequencies, integration of many more fine pitch parts on products the chances of having a Black Pad problem increase. With my former employeer I did see several cases of Black pad failures on complicated optical and switch boards with 0.4mm and 0.5mm pitch IC packages and also on small PCMCIA product with fine pitch parts. I've also had the occaction in the past couple of years to evaluate Black Pad failures for others. The surface finish of choice when I left my former employer was IAg and continues to be the surface finish of choice.
Regards,
George
George M. Wenger
Reliability / FMA Engineer
Base Station and Subsystems Group
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Frank Kimmey
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] ENIG - no more problems?
Genny,
I hate to argue with folks like Vladimir, Ed and George because I truly respect their opinions and knowledge (they are on my list of who to go to for help).
That said, I also need to tell you about the success of ENIG and IAg for replacing Pb.
As far as ENIG and Black Pad all the statements of recreating Black Pad are true (I also have never heard of anyone successfully causing it on demand). Also true though is the fact that we (the industry) now has a better understanding of the likely causes and by following corrected processes have seen a large reduction (to the point of elimination in some facilities) of the occurrence of Black Pad. I personally have not had a Black Pad incident in more than 3 years (close to half of our designs are ENIG).
We spent 2 years trying to qual IAg and found some finishes better than others (due to thickness of deposit).
The result was only one finish (of the 3 available at the time) was qualified for use on our product. Unfortunately some of the finishes resulted in the formation of Cuprous Oxide on the outer surfaces rending the pads unsolderable. From our approved supplier we have seen NO solderability issues in the more than a year we have been using IAG.
All rambling aside, we expect to replace Pb HASL with ENIG as drop in for legacy and use ENIG and IAg for designs going forward. Bottom line should be if you have good suppliers then you should be able to confidently make the change from HASL to Pb free finishes.
Hope its helped,
FNK
Frank N Kimmey CID+
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Powerwave Technologies Inc
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Lee parker
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] ENIG - no more problems?
Genny
If the problem with black pad is resolved, then the suppliers should be able to produce the problem at will and then demonstrate a corrective action that prevents the issue form occurring without any side effects. To the best of my knowledge this is not the case.
What has taken place is that most suppliers are now recommending a gold thickness of two micro inches or less based on imperial data; there have been few reported cases of black pad when the gold is restricted to two micro inches or less. Unfortunately, no one has given me a convincing mechanism to explain the phenomena. Also as the gold thickness is reduced the probability of soldering issues is increased.
Best regards
Lee
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From: Genny Gibbard<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:54 AM
Subject: [TN] ENIG - no more problems?
Just listened to a Lead Free presentation by one of our assembly materials
suppliers. They tested different pastes on different board finishes using a
variety of different patterns, spacings, aperture sizes, etc,...
By far and away, ENIG was the best finish for performance, for wetting,
defects, voiding, ...
The guy making the presentation said that he felt a lot of the initial
concerns re ENIG - black pad being the biggest - have been resolved, and
that they are no longer a concern, that they have determined what the cause
of it is and eliminated it. Anyone want to comment on that? I'm not sure
if he is correct, or just out of the loop.
It was interesting as well: ImmAg got a very bad rating from them in
performance, even though many on this forum really praise that finish. It
exhibited dewetting (they printed solderpaste pads on an area with no
soldermask, and the solder did not stay and spread where it was printed, it
crept together with other pads into a big blob, like you might see a water
drop do) and the amount of voiding was impressive!!
About 4 years ago I joined this forum, and one of the reasons was because I
was looking for info on ENIG. We had done a prototype run of a couple of
boards and they failed miserably. They were never analyzed in depth, so it
wasn't figured out what exactly caused the failure. It was the excuse we
needed to not choose this finish and some of the extra costs associated with
it.
However, with the Pbfree push now, I don't know if we should re-examine
whether to use the finish. For products where we needed a flat finish, we
have gone to ImmSn, but we still use HASL wherever possible.
Genny
"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped"
Elbert Hubbard
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