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Hi Vladimir!

I have your pictures posted. Go to: http://www.stevezeva.homestead.com and
look at "Brittle Fracture and Brittle Fracture 2".


Kind regards,

-Steve Gregory-
Senior Process Engineer
LaBarge Incorporated
Tulsa, Oklahoma
(918) 459-2285
(918) 459-2350 FAX


                                                                                                                                       
                      Vladimir Igoshev                                                                                                 
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Hello Ingemar,

The pictures are nice, indeed. Nevertheless, I'm still not sure whether the
structure of the E-Ni layer has something to do with BF. I'm going to send
a few pictures to Steve to publish, which show that the fracture path
follows the intermetallic/P-enriched layer interface (seen as a darker
contrast layer).   By the way, the only reason we see the P-enriched layer
is because Ni was "consumed" (diffused) to form the intermetallics. I wish
I knew what is causing the BF to occur. Probably the guys you referred to
know the answer.

Regards,

Vladimir

Vladimir Igoshev, Ph. D.
Senior Materials Researcher
Research in Motion
451 Phillip St.
Waterloo, ON, N2L 3X2

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-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ingemar Hernefjord
(KC/EMW)
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] ENIG - no more problems?


Our experts believe BF was the case. Hope the pictures will come up on
Steve's wall soon. The one that is named īnormalī nickel was without
problems. 2,500 ball BGAs wouldn't fail even if you hit the PWB with a
hammer blow, the one named 'abnormal' nickel was extremly fragile, BGA's
lifted with a 'ping' when exposed to even little mechanical force or temp
shock. The extremly high P content in the grain interface disturbed the
normal intergranular strength, and caused the fragile solder line. When
told about all this, the plater and the bath maker met and came to a
decision what to do, and after that nema problema. WHAT they did, we don't
know, but it had to do with the P content.

Mae Lin Syn at Xilinx made a simple demo for us at that time. She soldered
BGAs on electroless resp. electrolytic nickel, made shear tests, cross
sectioned and made microprobe analysis. The extremly fragile solder line
(from soldering on electroless nickel) we talk about could have so high as
18 W% P. If you have Xilinx nearby, ask for her presentation. Can't find it
in my puter at the moment, may be hiding in a server somewhere...

According to Safranek, you have to consider the band or lamellar structure
of EN. A one micrometer thick EN layer consists of hundreds of nanometer
thick layers, like the annual rings in a piece of wood. The phosphorous is
sometimes varying a lot within such layers, and under some circumstance,
the P is concentrated to last layer before the plating is finished.
Safranek describes EN like this: "EN is Nickel in a metastable state that
can be described as microcrystalline, polycrystalline or amorphous, and
appears as a supersaturated solution of phosphorous in a liquid-like state.
While electrolytic nickel is an absolute crystalline structure."

 No wonder EN is harder to understand! I have a (bad) picture of a typical
banded EN structure with 8-9% P. From Safranek. It's said, that the bands
became coarser and more amorphous the more the P%. I'm not an expert on
this myself, just referring to those who seem to know. If the experiments
on ideal ground (Safranek) are comparable with the rough life in a plating
industry, I don't know. (and it's a lot more I don't know!)

Steve, I'll send the pic to you for nailing on wall.

Ingemar

Ingemar

-----Original Message-----
From: Vladimir Igoshev [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: den 18 april 2005 16:51
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Ingemar Hernefjord (KC/EMW)
Subject: RE: [TN] ENIG - no more problems?


Inge,

That sounds very interesting and I'm wondering whether you are talking
about "Black Pad" type of failure or "Brittle Fracture" one. That
mysterious dark layer you are talking about is always at the Ni-P/Ni-Sn
intermetallics interface. It looks darker than the underlaying Ni-P layer
because it is depleted with Ni (so has a higher concentration of P). In
both cases (BP and BF) traces of P can found with EDS on both of mating
fracture surfaces. Can you clarify please what type of failure you meant?

Regards,

Vladimir

Vladimir Igoshev, Ph. D.
Senior Materials Researcher
Research in Motion
451 Phillip St.
Waterloo, ON, N2L 3X2

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-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ingemar Hernefjord
(KC/EMW)
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] ENIG - no more problems?


Missed who started the question.

Anyway, we had our bad expensive experience and also made our expensive
countermeasure job some years ago. And we found, that there was no simple
answer, nor simple remedy, but fully controllable with some efforts. A lot
of TNs helped me and we summed it all in a 180 page report. No ENIG
problems sinse then. What was really interesting at that time was, that we
found one central reason for brittle solder joints, in terms of too much
Phosphorous between the nickel grains. This phenomenon was limited to just
the uppermost fraction of a micrometer of the nickel plating. The solder
wetted good enough, and a normal intermetallic layer was formed, but,
somewhere within the joint, an abnormal layer was created, a brittle and
unreliable one, we called it the dark mystic line, because of the less than
one micrometer thickness. The typical nickel with cracked intergraneolous
and P-richness can be seen on a couple of pics, which I send to Stephanos
Gregorius.

We also learned that the normal Ni3Sn4 was not the bad guy, but a
metastable NiSn3, that is normally growing only in pure Tin (edge
connectors can be hit). That layer haunted us for a long time, escaped all
observation and cheated us until Xilinx told us about it. That was the end
of the 'mystic' thin line.

I also add, that you can make several faults in the analysis, go lost in
the chemical labyrinth and walk in circles. Thanks to a lot at TN and whole
Ericsson specialist ensemble, we cracked the nut(s). The remedy list
containted nearly 30 paragraphs!

I think Jack Crawford got a shorted version of my report for the IPC
archive. It's not a techy salvation report, but filled with arguments and
opinions and facts and numerous references and names on knowing people in
the ENIG game.

Nowadays, no ENIG problems (crossed fingers)

Good Luck, whoever the questioner was

Ingemar Hernefjord
Ericsson Microwave Systems



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: den 14 april 2005 17:54
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Subject: [TN] ENIG - no more problems?


Just listened to a Lead Free presentation by one of our assembly materials
suppliers.  They tested different pastes on different board finishes using
a
variety of different patterns, spacings, aperture sizes, etc,...
By far and away, ENIG was the best finish for performance, for wetting,
defects, voiding, ...
The guy making the presentation said that he felt a lot of the initial
concerns re ENIG - black pad being the biggest - have been resolved, and
that they are no longer a concern, that they have determined what the cause
of it is and eliminated it.  Anyone want to comment on that?  I'm not sure
if he is correct, or just out of the loop.
It was interesting as well:  ImmAg got a very bad rating from them in
performance, even though many on this forum really praise that finish.  It
exhibited dewetting (they printed solderpaste pads on an area with no
soldermask, and the solder did not stay and spread where it was printed, it
crept together with other pads into a big blob, like you might see a water
drop do) and the amount of voiding was impressive!!
About 4 years ago I joined this forum, and one of the reasons was because I
was looking for info on ENIG.  We had done a prototype run of a couple of
boards and they failed miserably.  They were never analyzed in depth, so it
wasn't figured out what exactly caused the failure.  It was the excuse we
needed to not choose this finish and some of the extra costs associated
with
it.
However, with the Pbfree push now, I don't know if we should re-examine
whether to use the finish.  For products where we needed a flat finish, we
have gone to ImmSn, but we still use HASL wherever possible.

Genny

"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped"
Elbert Hubbard

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