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Thanks Dave.  Nice job!

-----Original Message-----
From: David D. Hillman [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [LF] SnBi as components coating


Hi James! Hey, I finally finished the BGA paper - here is a copy for
your files. Don't let this out of bag until after May 26 - that's when I
present it at the conference. I would welcome you thoughts on the
investigation too.

(See attached file: CMAP paper.pdf)
Dave



             James Vincent
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                                       Re: [LF] SnBi as components
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All

Just to flag something that we saw way back when in the IDEALS project.
We looked at SAC + (2% & 5%)Bi solder and found that joints to Alloy 42
QFP leads suffered an early, almost adhesive, failure at only a few
hundred cycles whereas the Bi-free solder was lasting thousands.  The
mechanism is well described by Kariya - this is the 1st page of one of
the papers
http://doc.tms.org/ezMerchant/prodtms.nsf/ProductLookupItemID/JEM-9911-1
263/

$FILE/JEM-9911-1263F.pdf?OpenElement

Of course the Bi content above was far higher overall than would come
from Bi only in the component finish, but it would be reassuring to know
that the (Alloy 42 + SnBi finish + SAC solder) combination is either OK
in practice or now non-existent.  Can anyone confirm?

Jim

James H Vincent
Lead Engineer, Reliability Engineering
Bookham, Caswell
+44 (0)1327 356318


-----Original Message-----
From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 24 January 2005 19:30
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Subject: Re: [LF] SnBi as components coating

Ofer,

From what I've read, (short answer) there is the
potential for problems but they may not actually show
up.

Longer answer:  Bismuth does form a very low-temperature-melting point
alloy when combined with tin AND lead.  The one document I glanced at
before writing this e-mail said 138 C, but I am pretty sure I have heard
figures like 92 C also.
     However, the counter-argument I have seen is that
when SnBi is a component finish, the Bismuth is only
present in pretty low percentages (like 4-5%, I think
??).  There is a not a huge volume of solder involved
in the surface finish anyway, especially not in
comparison with the volume of solder to make a joint
between the PCB pad and the component.  Therefore,
even with an SnBi finish, the actual percentage of
Bismuth in the end solder joint will not be high
enough to cause the low temperature melting point
concerns.

I haven't heard anything about Bismuth affecting the reliability of the
joint, so I would think the best test would be a worst-case temperature
test - maximum rated ambient, unit powered on and configured such that
SnBi-finished components get maximum heating. This may take multiple
configurations depending on how many components there are in the product
and how many operating modes the product has.

     Hopefully there will be replies from people on
the list who have had actual experience with this
issue.  I think all the literature I have seen to date
said that it could be an issue, but I don't remember
seeing any case studies where it actually WAS an
issue.

-Camille Good
Portland, Oregon

--- Ofer Cohen <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Hello all,
> Some of our vendors suggest their components with
> SnBi coating. Some of them suggest only this finish.
> Although this finish is lead-free, it is being
> assembled (currently) using SnPb paste. Are there
> any known problems? Is there any effect on short
> time or long time reliability?
>
> Regards
> Ofer Cohen
> Manager
> Quality Assurance, Reliability and Production
> Technologies
> Seabridge Ltd. - A Siemens Company
>
>
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