....Bell Zenith Westell Lucent ....
WHAT? No stop at Tellabs? I thought every did that "circuit"
James M. Walton
Lead PCB Developer
Gentex Corp.
616-772-1590 x622
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From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karl
Bates
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:08 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] Engineer/designer
Mike,
important point there, I didn't mention the wonderful people that I
worked with everywhere else.. so here goes the Karl list of
workplaces... Boy Scouts Lawn mowing Macrame crafts... no jokes please
door to door selling jewelry, candy.. you name it.. i sold it. my Dad's
T.V. store Giesche Shoestore McDonalds Texaco service station Clark
service station K-mart oil / tire jockey Dupage county Forest preserve
Mechanics Butler Service group Bell Labs Real Estate Agent Stock Car
racing pit crew Omnibyte Zenith Westell Lucent Cadant Arris Real Estate
agent license renewed... let it lapse... should have stuck with it....
brothers a millionaire. current client list to remain nameless ;-)
What a list ! and every one of those places and the people that worked
with me taught me and made me what I am today.
I'm only 43, sure seemed like that number would be an old man when I was
younger ;-) I'm sure I'll probably get another email mentioning
something I forgot, but that's why I have good friends to remind me..
Thanks Mike ! Karl
From: "gnieski, mike" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "'(Designers Council Forum)'" <[log in to unmask]>,
"'Karl
Bates'" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: RE: [DC] Engineer/designer
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:53:38 -0500
Karl,
Don't forget your time at Zenith! A learning experience there also!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karl
Bates
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:49 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] Engineer/designer
Bill,
Thank you for being in this forum, your insights are absolutely
remarkable.
:-)
I always worked with the "difficult" engineers also, they are the ones
that will push the
envelope of design and stretch your imagination. When I finished
working
with them,
they always wanted to work only with me in the future... imagine that..
because I listened
to them and did what they wanted... they were the customer. Once in
a
while, they
would try to do something goofy that would result in poor design... but
If I showed them examples and written documentation, they would accept
it and appreciate the effort to improve their design. I'm just a dummy
H.S. graduate, trained @ Bell Labs in PCB design by engineers that had
PHD's. Best dam education in the world... (too bad some bean counters
and Lawyers screwed up that fine institution). Karl
From: "Brooks,Bill" <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To: "(Designers Council Forum)" <[log in to unmask]>,
"Brooks,Bill" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] Engineer/designer
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:46:16 -0800
Ah... Yes... the dispensable issue... ;)
I remember a cocky manager telling me about how indispensable I was as
an employee... He said smugly to me "it's kind of like sticking your
finger in a bucket of water and pulling it out to see what sort of a
hole is left"... grrrr... That kind of talk can give a guy an
inferiority complex...
The thing is... you are more valuable than THEY would like you to think
you are.... but don't get a big head about it... or they will resent
you. The word "primadonna" comes to mind...
I don't know how many times I had heard someone say "anyone can do your
job... it's just connecting the dots!" The reality was I was able to
pick this job up pretty easy because I had been working with boards
since I was 14 years old... My dad taught me the basics of electronics
design and I had an edge being somewhat artistic and creative, and I
really enjoyed the design puzzle. When I took a design another 'drafter'
had done and redesigned it to hold more parts and have shorter line
lengths, and it worked better and was easier to manufacture... they were
a little surprised.
It's funny... I remember guys used to brag about how much tape they
could lay down on the mylar in a day... some collected large grapefruit
size balls of wasted tape to show how many boards they had done.... this
was a status thing... the one with the biggest ball... well you know. I
used to throw mine away... I was a little slower that they were... but
the boards I did were more difficult, and had RF components that had to
keep away from noisy oscillators and high level signals...I was always
assigned to work with the engineers nobody wanted to work with... and I
learned a lot from them.
Anyway, don't let them talk you into a 'sheep like' mentality or into
self doubt... You are a rare commodity and they need you, as long as you
get the job done well and they can get producible cost effective product
out of you, they will support you and send you to seminars to get more
education and help you to develop your career because they appreciate
what you can do for them. Even if they tell you... 'you can be
replaced'...
The secret to success is self confidence and a strong willingness to
work. All the rest of it will follow.
"Be the Pan... Peter. You can fly..."
Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 e-mail:[log in to unmask]
http://www.dtwc.com http://pcbwizards.com
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