Joseph,

This is a forum to ask questions and get informed advice from those willing to share there own experience, not for political discussions. But since you brought it up..............

While I am not a big fan of politics, in general, and believe that things should and can be done better, I do not tolerate misinformation.  You state that the President Bush or the US Government is spending millions for the inauguration. Not true. Go to the inauguration site and see who is paying for this. A list of the major contributors who have given to date $7,885,000 follows. Yeah, they probably expect something for their money, but until we put controls on TV time, all politics will be about MONEY. Its okay by me if you want to organize protests against these people, but President Bush does not have the authority to give this money to the relief effort. Oh, since you forgot your social studies class, all appropriations bills must start in the House of Representatives, not the Executive Office.

Major Donor Information
GMAC, Horsham, PA, $100,000
Exxon Mobil Corporation, Washington, DC, $250,000
Kojaian Ventures, LLC, Bloomfield Hill, MI, $250,000
Nuclear Energy Institute, Washington, DC, $100,000
Occidental Petroleum Corporation, Los Angeles, CA, $250,000
S. Davis Phillips, High Point, NC, $250,000
Al Hoffman, Jr. Trust, Fort Myers, FL, $100,000
Rooney Holdings, Inc., Tulsa, OK, $250,000
Altria Corporate Services, Inc., New York, NY, $250,000
Tom Benson, Metairie, LA, $50,000
Bensco, Inc., Metairie, LA, $100,000
Benson Football, MetairieLA, LA, $100,000
Sallie Mae, Inc., Reston, VA, $250,000
Stephens Group, Inc., Little Rock, AR, $250,000
United Technologies Corporation, Hartford, CT, $250,000
Elliott Broidy, Los Angeles, CA, $250,000
Dwight Schar, McLean, VA, $100,000
International Paper Company, Memphis, TN, $100,000
Jack Overstreet, Englewood, CO, $100,000
Jeffrey Marcus, Dallas, TX, $100,000
JM Family Enterprises, Inc., Deerfield Beach, FL, $25,000
Michael Dell, Austin, TX, $250,000
Southern Company, Atlanta, GA, $250,000
Boone Pickens, Dallas, TX, $250000
Northrop Grumman Corporation, Los Angeles, CA, $100,000
Richard Kinder, Houston, TX, $250,000
American Bankers Association, Washington, DC, $25,000
Bill G. Hartley, Tyler, TX, $25,000
Corporate Capital, LLC, New Orleans, LA, $250,000
Independent Community Bankers of America, Washington, DC, $100,000
Union Pacific Corporation, Washington, DC, $100,000
Argent Mortgage Company, Orange, CA, $250,000
Ameriquest Capital Corporation, Orange, CA, $250,000
Long Beach Acceptance Corp., Paramus, NJ, $250,000
Town and Country Credit, Irvine, CA, $250,000
Waite, Schneider, Bayless & Chesley LPA, Cincinnati, OH, $10,000
Andrew Taylor, St. Louis, MO, $100,000
Ilene L. Flaum, Rochester, NY, $100,000
John W. Childs, Boston, MA, $100,000
Thomas F. Petway, III, Jacksonville, FL, $100,000
Pilot Corporation, Knoxville, TN, $50,000
James A. Haslam, II, Knoxville, TN, $50,000
CheveronTexaco, Concord, CA, $250,000
Golden Eagle Industries, Inc., Charlotte, NC, $250,000
Linger Longer Development Co., Greensboro, GA, $100,000
Qualcomm Incorporated, San Diego, CA, $100,000
The Boeing Company, Arlington, VA, $100,000
Bradford M. Freeman, Los Angeles, CA, $100,000
Frank Baxter, Los Angeles, CA, $100,000
Lawrence Auriana, Greenwich, CT, $100,000
Robin Arkley, Eureka, CA, $100,000
Valhi, Inc., Dallas, TX, $100,000
* UPDATED AS OF THURSDAY, DECEMBER 23, 2004

Happy New Year,
Steve Mikell
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Mantz, Joseph" <[log in to unmask] wrote
> 
> Next time you hear some politician blather on about what a generous 
> country we are, remember this; we're devoting less than half of 
> what Bush is planning to spend on his own inauguration to helping 
> people recover from one of the worst natural disasters in human 
> history.
> 
> The Bush administration yesterday pledged $15 million to Asian 
> nations hit by a tsunami that has killed more than 40,000 people, 
> although the United Nations' humanitarian-aid chief called the 
> donation "stingy."
> The war on terror will take center stage at next month's second 
> inauguration for President Bush in Washington, D.C.
> The estimated budget for the event is $30-40 million, but that will 
> not cover security costs.
> 
in reply to Ahne Oosterhof
> 
> Yes, it would be great if it would have been possible to evacuate 
> the thousands of people who were in harms way.
> But if my mapping skills are correct, the distance from the quake 
> to Aceh was only 100 to 300 miles, the distance to Sri Lanka around 
> 1000 miles and to East Africa around 3000 miles. I assume that it 
> takes a little time to detect the quake, to calculate its magnitude 
> and to realize its possible impact, say 15 minutes? Then you have 
> to find a phone number to call in these various locations, starting 
> with Aceh, where there is a civil war going on too, and so on, and 
> so on. And forget about the effort it takes to convince someone 
> that a 30ft wave is coming.
> Before you know it, the waves are hitting before the warning 
> reaches anybody, especially with the tsunami waves traveling at 300 
> to 600 mph.
> With the present communication and information distribution system 
> very few people could have been saved in SE Asia, maybe some in 
> East Africa, regardless how much information was available at USGS, 
> Nasa or Noaa (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2357.htm).
> 
> It's hard to blame anyone person or group.
> But maybe it is time for countries with coastal areas to arrange a 
> useful communication system.
> (India: coastline: 7000km!!! Ouch.)
> A person on the Oregon coast asked why so many people are so dumb 
> to live so near the coast and then noted that almost half of all 
> people live near a coast!
> 
> Ahne.
> 
in reply to Ingemar Hernefjord
> 
> Forgot give you USGS URL. The US system had a clear image of the 
> tsunami hours before the flood reached Indonesia...with computers 
> and all communication systems we have, I can't understand why a 
> warning wasn't send.
> Would take a few minutes for USGS to call Radio and Television 
> stations in Indonesia and ask them to make a break and tell people 
> what was coming.
> HiTech...hmfff..and still mental blockout...
> 
> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/glossary.htm#source
> 
> 
> Inge
> 
>in reply to Ingemar Hernefjord (KC/EMW)
> 
> Ioan, nous semblons avoir oublié le message de Noël cette année !
> 
> My brother-in-law and his whole family are still in Phuket, but 
> they were not on the shoreside. They used mobile telephone to tell 
> us they were OK, then all communications were gone. 1,200 tourists 
> from our region still missing.
> 
> It's time for tsunami warning systems to be set up. The technology 
> has existed for years, the US have a system on trial, but ought to 
> be global standard...
> 
> 9 on Richter scale, 900 times stronger than the last SF earthquake!
> 
> 
>   /Ingemar
> 
> 

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