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Ahne Oosterhof <[log in to unmask]>
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 and how many miles can the car go per mile of wind ??? ;) ???

Have a happy Friday.
Ahne

PS: How come nobody talks about efficiency when tauting (or is it spouting?)
the advantages of hydrogen usage?



-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:40
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] DI Water

Hydrogen can be made by separating it from water leaving the 2 components, 2
molecules of Hydrogen and one molecule of oxygen.
This process is called electrolysis...

http://www.nmsea.org/Curriculum/7_12/electrolysis/electrolysis.htm

It can be done without pollution at all... using solar or wind power.

Best regards,

Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 e-mail:[log in to unmask]
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ellis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 4:13 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] DI Water

And, please, tell me how you are going to produce hydrogen in sufficient
purity and quantity to run a relatively low-efficiency device like a fuel
cell? AND ensure that there is no pollution in the process? The much-vaunted
fuel cell for, e.g., large-scale car use can never be. It is being developed
purely as a magnet for governmental funding.

If you wish to discuss this in more detail, I propose we shift the debate to
the EnviroNet.

I never proposed mixing the H2 and O2 to produce BANG. There are a number of
ways of non-explosively combining the two gases safely, the simplest being a
straightforward hydrogen flame.

Brian

Indrek Rebane wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Brian Ellis wrote:
>
>> No way. Producing PURE H2 and PURE O2 to produce PURE water would be
>> horrendously expensive, energy consuming and polluting.
>
>
> Not so, pure water would be a by-product of discharging the fuel-cell.
> (Ability to store solar energy for winter time anyone?)
>
> But by just mixing hydrogen and oxygen near fire:
> 2H2+O2 => 2H2O + BANG!
>
> Indrek
>
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