I'm feeling some seriously negative vibes...whew...and we actually have a
very nice ESD controls setup here...I suppose we're 'non-typical', or is
that 'atypical'...
Score problems like that happen for 2 reasons only...
1. Segregation of in-process and finished work is poor;
2. Sampling inspection level too low (in-process, final, and incoming)
Very simple issues to resolve...it's only when these very stupid, common,
simple mistakes get blown way they 'heck' out of proportion do bad things
happen...
Lets go back to discussing DI Water...
Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Rae Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] To late Board already populated, but bare PCB has a defe c
t.
> Not good. I would question their QA department accuracy and your receiving
> inspection as well as every person that touched the board after arrival
> for
> not noticing the defect. We just had the same thing happen here and yes
> they
> took them back to get scored, ruined them beyond belief and had to buy
> them
> from us. Bare board houses typically do not know how to handle a loaded
> board or even have any ESD precautions available to them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of West, Jim
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 12:25 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] To late Board already populated, but bare PCB has a
> defe c t.
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the feedback so far. The defect in this case was the board
> house
> forgot to score several panels. It was not the complete panel, and they
> offered to take the panels back (now populated), and repair. The only
> issue
> is all the extra handling of the boards. I don't doubt they could fix
> them,
> but I did not want to take a chance of someone mis-handling them and
> damaging components, especially ceramic capacitors. Am I being to picky
> in
> this case?
>
>
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judy Rae Brown [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:37 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] To late Board already populated, but bare PCB has a defe
> ct.
>
> What was the bareboard defect? Issue them a corrective action request.
> Salvage what components you can, then bill the PCB house for the value
> added
> components that could not be salvaged, then find a new supplier that
> spells
> out this type of scenario up front.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of West, Jim
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [TN] To late Board already populated, but bare PCB has a
> defect.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there an industry standard on who is responsible for the scrapped
> material from a PCB assembly that has been populated, but later discovered
> that the bare PCB had a defect.?
> Several panels were bad, but they were located in the middle of a stack of
> panels. Do others go after the board house for liability, split the cost,
> or eat the total cost yourself?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
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