Instead of collectively jumping off the cliff, I was thinking of following the leader at full speed ahead knowing that we eventually will jump off the cliff and not stopping because it is mandated to follow the leader. Hoping that perhaps some one will order the mad race to stop. The bigger the manufacturing industry (i.e. USA) the more it stands to loose.
Regards,
Ramon
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Dale Ritzen
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-free, and not lead-free...
Hi Joyce,
I'm going to jump in here even though "unbidden"...
Simple answer - reliability. No one knows the long term effect on product
reliability using the new non-leaded solder in electronic circuit junctions.
Some reports from the first wide-spread use of non-leaded solders do NOT
reflect a high reliability rate in these junctions. Personal opinion
follows: That's why things medical or military are not rushing into this.
When cell phones start "not working" after only 2-years of use and the
reason is found to be weak/poor no-lead solder joints, it really doesn't
paint a good picture for placing someone's life support, business network or
defense systems in this predicament.
Bottom line: There are no long term reliability studies that prove the
worthiness of the non-leaded solders. Indeed, there are some studies that
would lead one NOT to put a lot of faith in this new "environmentally safe"
solder mix. And, on top of that, there are no long term studies on the
effect of the new solder waste (tin, bismuth, silver, etc.) in the
environment. It would appear that we are collectively jumping off the cliff
again and hoping that there are soft bushes at the bottom to break our
fall...
Respectfully,
Dale Ritzen
Quality Manager
AMS
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Joyce Koo
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-free, and not lead-free...
Chris,
could you let me know why medical and mil are exempt? why CRT is exempt?
Thanks.
jk
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Hughes, Chris
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 5:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-free, and not lead-free...
OK so you guys are going to have major issues if and when you change over to
lead free operations. Which we can sympathise with, but the longer you leave
it the more hurdles you will encounter.
I have been tracking the development of market and legislative drivers
surrounding the electronics industry for the past three years, so I know a
fair bit about the ways out of compliance with lead-free etc.
I'll let you all in on a big secret, unless your products are exempt there
are not ways out!
The bottom line is that legislative drivers such as the WEEE & RoHS pose the
biggest ever threat to the electronics industry because their no escape, and
the domino effect has already started (Japanese corporate polices,
California & Maine Consumer products targeted etc).
And YES it's only going to get worse.
FACT: As we move towards key dates the value of leaded materials used in
electronic & electrical equipment will increase, and will much harder to
obtain.
FACT: If your refuse to go 'lead-free' (RoHS compliant) for products put on
the EU market after July 2006, your products could be banned from sale
across the EU.
Start taking the drive to reduce toxic material inclusion in the electronics
industry seriously, and make sure the resources are in place to ensure you
remain competitive.
This is not simply an issue of greening the electronics supply chain, it is
a major business threat to everybody in the supply chain to the final
products put on sale, both business to householder, and business to
business.
FALSE: Only consumer products will be affected by the legislative driver to
switch over to 'lead-free'.
I welcome all thoughts and additional suggestions.
Chris
Christopher Hughes
Environmental Scientist
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ingemar Hernefjord (KC/EMW) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 07 December 2004 07:57
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Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-free, and not lead-free...
Mike,
blessed be the innocent, that have not yet seen the dark side..
Inge
PS. we are still unaware, have seen no problems until this day...will the
heaven suddenly
fall upon our heads (Majestix of Gallia)
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Mike Fenner
Sent: den 6 december 2004 14:57
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Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-free, and not lead-free...
You will need excellent controls, preferably even a separate building ?.
Customer feedback is that trying to run two lines adjacently, usually in the
interim to full change over can be a hair loosing experience, with frequent
cross over, and do not wish it on others. A single bar of solder can tip
your wave pot over the 0.1% Pb level, putting leaded paste on the unleaded
line can be undetectable [unless you have a handy spectrometer], putting
leaded components on the unleaded line may damage them thermally and so on.
Regards
Mike Fenner
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Gregory
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:21 AM
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Subject: [TN] Lead-free, and not lead-free...
Hi All!
I've got a problem that I've been worrying about all weekend. It may come
to
pass that we will be building both lead-free, and standard 63/37
stuff...whoa is me.
I'm interested in stories from those that have done that...what the hell
did
you do?
Is this something that can be done? It probably can, but me, being the
pessimistic sort, thinks that you're just asking for trouble when you try to
mix
the two...
-Steve Gregory
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