Doesn't free speech also apply to Brian?
Free speech is only free as long as everybody has a right to express their
thoughts, including rebuttals of somebody else's thoughts. The original
poster took advantage of this freedom to express his/her thoughts, so did
Brian, so did you, and so am I. Democracy in action.
Free speech is not a blanket requirement to be open to ideas expressed, it
is only about the freedom to say what you want, even if it's unpopular. It
also is not a blanket requirement to publish anybody's thoughts, it is fully
within the rights of the owner of this private list to remove any posts or
users that are in conflict with the rules of the forum, which all of these
posts certainly are. Freedom of speech is NOT freedom to force everybody to
listen.
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Terry Kozlyk
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 09:00
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC: very important information about 911 attacks
Now I have to reply....
The USA ( OK...all of North America) is suppose to be the leader in
democracy and free speech, which also includes an openness to ideas &
thoughts...being able to say anything, as an open thread to further thought,
speculation, etc, etc.
Yes, there are many that may be completely preposterous....but here are a
few more;
There is a Santa Claus....
There is an Easter Bunny....
Mary had a little lamb ( actually gave birth to a little lamb....an enquirer
story of course !!!
But, we as intelligent people, simply let whomever say whatever they think
or feel....and carry on about our daily mission.....Done....As long as it
does me no personal or economic harm.....We don't expend any energy because
of it.
Especially e-mails, as they completely mask people & make us all equals.
(I know nothing of you & you know nothing of me)
So again, I say, the USA (North America, for that matter) is suppose to be
the leader in democracy. That includes many of the residents of USA & North
America.
Your retaliatory comments below suggest anything but democracy. To me it is
just as bad, if not worse, than the original. The gentleman simply made a
statement & I certainly did not take it as blasphemous to the many who died
Both in the air & on the ground.
We really must think for ourselves & not let the media drive us. Just
because we are considering something, doesn't mean we are endorsing or
supporting it.
I see so many people quickly jumping to a huge conclusion.
TDK
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ellis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:22 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC: very important information about 911 attacks
May this male bovine excreta-style spam be expurged from this board
illico prestissimo. Hopefully Keach will be able to trace your IP number
and ban you forever from all IPC activity for this purely political
conspiracy codswallop, which denigrates those who died in this tragedy.
At least I have the courage to publish this flame under my own name.
Brian
Signer wrote:
> I am a regular contributor to this group, but for what I have to
> say today I prefer to use an alternative emailadress and a fake
> name. I know it is inappropiate to post this here, but given the
> huge importance of the issue and the fact that the
> government-owned media is withhelding this kind of information
> for the public, I decided to post this anyway. This message is
> about the events that took place on the 9th of September of 2001
> and about how the US government is insulting our intelligence
> by expecting us to believe in their "official story" which
> clearly is "the biggest lie ever" as I will show you here:
> The following webpages:
> [1]http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm
> ,
> [2]http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/trou_en.htm an
> d
> [3]http://www.serendipity.li/wtc3.htm demonstrate with good
> quality photographs taken from official US Army websites that
> the official story about the Pentagon attack simply cannot be
> true. The evidence is overwhelming that whatever caused the
> damage to the Pentagon it was not a Boeing 757. If you suspect
> that these photographs are manipulated by "conspiracy nuts" who
> made these websites than do like I did and try to find images on
> the Internet that do show parts of a Boeing 757 lying in the
> rubble. I promise you that you won't find any.
> [4]http://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html proves (by
> showing the owner of the WTC admitting it on TV) that building 7
> of the WTC was taken down by controlled demolition, just a
> couple of hours after the main towers fell. The idea that it is
> possible to organize a controlled demolition within a period of
> a few hours in the middle of a disaster area is insane, so it
> had to be planned before. The story is also in direct
> contradiction to the official FEMA report.
> There is in fact plenty of substantial evidence to be found on
> hundreds of websites that also the two main towers were blown up
> by explosives.
> In the morning of 09-11-01 it was reported on
> [5]http://www.wcpo.com that a Boeing 767 (United Flight 93) out
> of Boston had made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins
> International Airport due to concerns that it may have had a
> bomb aboard. The plane had been moved to a secure area of the
> airport, and was evacuated. Three years after posting the story
> its existence was reported for the first time on national radio.
> Strangely enough a few hours later the story was retracted. Find
> the evidence of this story on:
> [6]http://www.policestate21.com/bomb_threat.html
> This feeds the already strong suspicion that the planes that hit
> the WTC were not the same planes that were reportedly used for
> the attacks.
> All 8 Black Boxes (2 per plane), which are designed to be
> indestructible in the event of a tragedy, were damaged beyond
> use. And still we are asked to believe that one of the hijackers
> brought his passport with him on a domestic fight, even though
> he knew he would not need it then, or ever again; that upon
> impact the passport flew from the hijacker's pocket (or was he
> holding it in his hands?), that the passport flew out of the
> aircraft, that it flew out of the burning tower, and that it was
> carried by the air currents and landed safely, where it could be
> discovered, several blocks away ...
> [7]http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Sep-16-Sun-2001/n
> ews/17011253.html
> According to a recent poll by Zogby International almost half of
> the New Yorkers believe US Leaders had foreknowledge of
> impending 9-11 attacks and consciously failed to act. So why
> didn't we hear about this important outcome on National
> Television or in the newspaper? Seems someone is trying to
> withhold this information from us.
> [8]http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855
>
> Read all about 8 of the alleged hijackers being alive and well
> after 911 (with links to official news reports):
> [9]http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/alive.html
> A brandnew book by wellknown Michael C. Ruppert
> ([10]http://www.fromthewilderness.com/about.shtml) names Vice
> President Richard Cheney as the prime suspect in the mass
> murders of 9/11 and establishes that, not only was he a planner
> in the attacks, but also on the day of the attacks he was
> running a completely separate Command, Control and
> Communications system which was superceding any orders being
> issued by the FAA, the Pentagon, or the White House Situation
> Room;
>
> Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has
> personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This
> courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and
> possibly his life, to get this information out to people. The
> following is from his latest visit to Alex Jones' radio
> show: "This (9/11) was all planned. This was a
> government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order.
> He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason
> and mass murder."
> [11]http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091204hilton.htm
> Don't take my word for all this but check the links, and see
> what you can find on "official" and other pages. It seems to me
> that the so-called "conspiracy writers" do a much better job in
> providing evidence for their claims than the official
> writers do, and after all the official story tell just another
> conspiracy, one about some Arabic terrorists working together
> with chief-conspirator Osama Bin Laden to attack the US. But I
> repeat: don't take my word for it, that would be just as foolish
> as believing Goverment Officials who tell you that that you
> simply must believe them or otherwise you are unpatriotic and
> one of the bad guys. Search for information, check the facts,
> and see where it leads you.
> Sorry if I wasted your time, I just think you need to know this.
>
> References
>
> Visible links
> 1. http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm
> 2. http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/trou_en.htm
> 3. http://www.serendipity.li/wtc3.htm
> 4. http://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html
> 5. http://www.wcpo.com/
> 6. http://www.policestate21.com/bomb_threat.html
> 7.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Sep-16-Sun-2001/news/17011253.ht
ml
> 8. http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855
> 9. http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/alive.html
> 10. http://www.fromthewilderness.com/about.shtml
> 11. http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091204hilton.htm
>
> Hidden links:
> 12. http://www.policestate21.com/bomb_threat.html
>
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