Pete,
I would suggest that it is not a matter of nationality so much as matter of ability,
and more specifically, a matter of competence.
Including the name, home address, and personal phone number, of every engineer or
designer related to the manufacture of a given product, would go far in the
attrition of the incompetent, and in insuring that future products function properly
in their intended use.
JaMi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Waddell" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [DC] "Sitting on the Dock of the Bay...."
> Lou, you broach an interesting issue that I was ruminatin' on just the
> other day. To everyone: what applications - mil, medical, etc - would
> y'all insist SHOULD be designed, manufactured, tested in U.S.? Are there
> levels of applications where you feel they should be
> designed/manufactured/tested domestically? As I understand it, there are
> people from other countries than the U.S. that subscribe to this forum.
> How do you as designers in Europe, India, Asia etc react to the feeling
> in some circles in the U.S. that "our" jobs (they really don't belong to
> us, you know) are being "shipped overseas".
> I'm not coming down on on side or the other here, I'd just like to know
> how y'all feel.
>
> If you feel this post is inappropriate for this forum, let me know that
> also.
>
> p.
>
> Pete Waddell
> President
> UP Media Group
> 678-589-8813
> [log in to unmask]
> >>> [log in to unmask] 09/30/04 15:18 PM >>>
> IMHO... It better be written in several foreign languages for foreign
> universities.
> Pcb's will no longer be designed in this country, except for military
> applications.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Brooks,Bill
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:02 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DC] "Sitting on the Dock of the Bay...."
>
>
> Hi Matthew,
>
> The textbook would have to be CAD platform independent. There are far
> too many variations in CAD programs out there to address each one's
> unique method of operation. (Actually there is a CAD specific committee
> that is investigating CAD certification for specifically requested CAD
> programs that want a IPC certification for their operators... I think it
> is still in review as a potential area we can help designers with. I'm
> not sure what the progress is on that activity at this time... but you
> are correct in suggesting the CAD system part of a designer's training
> should not affect the content of this book.)
>
> Any good textbook that could be used in a classroom setting should have
> reasonable chapter content and exercises and a chapter test at the end
> of each section. I have put together a list of chapters that could be
> broken out into subsections and perhaps we could get some assistance
> with content and review as we go along. This is no small project, but it
> will be greatly appreciated and useful for many years to come. I don't
> think we have all agreed to take this project on yet as a group, but it
> is on the table for discussion. I am afraid of actually how much
> information there is out there and finding a reasonable focus for each
> subject that doesn't overwhelm the reader but hits the main important
> points of the topic in sufficient breadth to give the student good
> command of the subject... that seems to be the real challenge.
>
> Our IPC DC study guides for CID and CID+ are helpful in getting a
> framework for content, however the format of the 3 day workshop doesn't
> lend itself to the semester based classroom situation. I was thinking
> the best way to approach this is to break it into separate progressive
> headings and give them to different individuals or teams of individuals
> to work on and then assemble them and refine them into the final text.
> What do you think?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bill Brooks
> PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
> Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 http://pcbwizards.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Lamkin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:33 AM
> To: '(Designers Council Forum)'; 'Brooks,Bill'
> Subject: RE: [DC] "Sitting on the Dock of the Bay...."
>
> It should even appeal to more than just schools esp given the lack of
> good books on the subject.
>
> I'd hope that its available to the UK too & that its not specific to
> using particular programs.
>
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