I would like a copy of this fishbone, as well. Thanks.
Jason Gregory
Mfg. Engr.
LaBarge - Houston
"Ingemar Hernefjord
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Please respond to
"Ingemar Hernefjord
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got a stiff 'enter' finger....Ingemar
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To: [log in to unmask]; Ingemar Hernefjord (KC/EMW)
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Ingemar,
Perhaps I did not turn the right stone in TN, IPC, etc. I had not
since this diagram before. That is why the members of this forum is so
useful and sharing. Sharing is one of the methods to keep Lesson
Learned alive.
Victor,
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ingemar Hernefjord
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Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:51 AM
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Refer to what Ted Gaines said below, such magic wands...if I had them I
would sell them for a fortune each...no, Blair, the fishbone is more
like what the shaman used to do...you know what I mean...with some good
background, you'll hit quite well with them bones, and the tribe will
fall down and honour you.
I'm surprised about this fishbone popularity, thought TN, IPC, etc had
them...
Ingemar Hernefjord
Ericsson Microwave Systems
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Blair K. Hogg
Sent: den 18 augusti 2004 14:18
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Does it have the solutions to the problems too?
>>> [log in to unmask] 08/18/04 08:14AM >>>
1st:May I point out that the fishbone diagram is not my creation.
2nd: As so many want it (surprise! Do professionals like you need such
crib?), maybe Steve can put a copy on his homestead. Watt do u zink,
Steve?
Ingemar
PS. fishbones are excellent for teaching the mysteries of SMT, you get a
knowledge platform, but they don't automatically guide you to the root
of a specific Murphy day problem.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Marvin Gaines
Sent: den 18 augusti 2004 13:49
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Subject: Re: [TN] Most common PCB failure modes
Kristopher,
My experience in this matter is that PCB manufacturing companies have
not had one common defect that can be detailed as a persistent problem
unless they have a process issue and then the defect should be able to
be traced to a date code). Usually there is a myriad of issue's that the
public never knows about. As with all manufacturing there are issue's
that come up and make it ultimately to the end customer. So to pinpoint
one common problem would be difficult.
Ted Gaines
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Graham Naisbitt
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:11 AM
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Hi Kristopher
All our customers tell us they have zero defects and no failures.
We call this "Telling Porky Pies".
I did a net search on your question and came up with one that might be
useful: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_5/chpt_8/5.html
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> Hello,
> Could some of you share what are the most common PCB defects that
> escape
to
> your customers?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Kristopher J. Keating
> Circuit-Wise, Inc.
> 400 Sackett Point Rd.
> North Haven, CT 06473
> tel. (203) 281-6511 x 410
> fax (203) 287-8409
>
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> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ingemar Hernefjord
> (KC/EMW)
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:16 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TN] thin film
>
> Seal Science say they have it all:
> http://www.sealscience.com/html/products/VacuumCupsPdfs/15about.pdf
> ultrahighvacuum guys use pure gold gaskets:
> http://www.sisweb.com/catalog/F39.pdf
> ourselves, we use as simple as butyl rubber:
> http://www.allstategasket.com/materials.asp (not Ultravacuum, of
> course) Butyl rubber group includes ordinary rubber used in your
> mountainbike
tire,
> can keep vacuum or pressure for very long time.
> /Ingemar
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Crepeau, Phil
> Sent: den 17 augusti 2004 02:25
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] thin film
>
>
> hi,
>
> i believe you should be able to use a gasket material such as viton.
>
> phil
>
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> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Douglas O. Pauls
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:02 PM
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>
>
> Good day all,
> I am in need of a recommendation for a thin film sealant material. I
> need it to be 15-20 mils thick, cuttable, and preferrably non
> silicone. We
have
> considered the Sil-Pad technology, but as this will be used in a
> vacuum
seal
> operation, I am concerned about silicone outgassing or cross
contamination.
> Are there any thin gasket materials from the engineered rubbers that
anyone
> would recommend?
>
> Doug Pauls
>
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