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Gaby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Willis" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [LF] Antw: Re: [LF] INTERPRETATION OF EU DIRECTIVES, ETC.
> As part of a new NPL project we are running tests on these kits against
know
> levels of lead contamination on parts and PCBs.
>
> I have illustrated these pens in my lead free workshops in the US and with
> Gaby in the sunshine, remember the earth quake?
>
> I know three people who have used the kits two with good success and me
some
> success. There is a new procedure from the suppliers to improve the
> repeatability which we will use in our test soon.
>
>
> On 8/25/2004, "Gabriela Bogdan" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.leadcheck.com/
>
>http://www.professionalequipment.com/xq/ASP/ProductID.171/id.185/qx/default
.htm
> >http://sargentwelch.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_WL9715E-30_ST
> >http://www.bgiusa.com/ihi/lead.htm
> >http://www.securityworld.com/homeapt/NS92318.html
> >http://doityourself.com/store/6051403.htm
> >Gaby
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Danielle Casha" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: [LF] Antw: Re: [LF] INTERPRETATION OF EU DIRECTIVES, ETC.
> >
> >
> >> Such a tool may not be necessary. At a recent Pb Free presenatation
here
> >> in Toronto Canada, Peter Biocca, of Kester solder was able to show
those
> >in
> >> attendance a small disposable pen sized gadget that, when rubbed on a
> >> solder joint, would turn pink if there was lead present, at a cost of
> >aprox
> >> $1.00US per. Perhaps this is the kit that Gaby mentions? However, I do
> >> realize that such a tool has its limits . . .
> >>
> >> Danielle
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bev Christian [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:14 AM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: [LF] Antw: Re: [LF] INTERPRETATION OF EU
DIRECTIVES,
> >ETC.
> >>
> >> Gaby,
> >> What kit? I was speaking of an inductively coupled plasma optical
> >emission
> >> spectrometer, which costs close to $200K (US). And I also mentioned a
> >> Dremel tool. Here in North America a Dremel tool is a well known brand
> of
> >> a handheld multitool for grinding and sanding small objects (well
usually
> >> not as small as 20 mil leads!)
> >> Bev
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gabriela Bogdan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >> Sent: August 25, 2004 11:04 AM
> >> To: (Leadfree Electronics Assembly Forum); Bev Christian
> >> Subject: Re: [LF] Antw: Re: [LF] INTERPRETATION OF EU DIRECTIVES, ETC.
> >>
> >>
> >> It was a theoretical question, and I hope too that we will not have to
do
> >> such absurd tests.
> >> By the way- what is the sensitivity of the kits for lead checking?
> >> Does it make sense to introduce them in the incoming inspection?
> >> Gaby
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Bev Christian" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:58 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [LF] Antw: Re: [LF] INTERPRETATION OF EU DIRECTIVES, ETC.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Guenter,
> >> > Then this totally takes me, the OEM, out of the picture for producing
> >the
> >> original data for the material contents. I am now totally captive of
my
> >> suppliers (and their suppliers) to provide this information, since it
is
> >> physically impossible to get that data myself. (And I am NOT going to
be
> >> "Grinding or scraping" as Gaby mentioned, I hope factiously. And how
> >would
> >> I do that Gaby, with a Dremel tool?!) All I can do is perform an
ICP-OES
> >> analysis to get overall cadmium and lead content of my PCBA (or perhaps
> >> individual components we suspect) as a validation of the data received
> >from
> >> my suppliers.
> >> > Bev Christian
> >> > RIM
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Guenter Grossmann [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >> > Sent: August 25, 2004 4:31 AM
> >> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > Subject: [LF] Antw: Re: [LF] INTERPRETATION OF EU DIRECTIVES, ETC.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We had several requests already to do such an analysis. The problem
is
> >> > not only the removal of the homogeneous material but the analysis
down
> >> > to 0.1% isn't easy and costs a fortune.
> >> > In my opnion, the only possibility to go handle the legislation is a
> >> > delivery specification indicating that the parts delivered must
comply
> >> > with the RoHS since only the producer is able, by avoiding non
> conformal
> >> > materials, to ensure RoHS compatibility.
> >> >
> >> > Best regards
> >> >
> >> > Guenter
> >> >
> >> > EMPA
> >> > Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Testing and Research
> >> > Centre for Reliability
> >> > Guenter Grossmann, Senior Engineer
> >> >
> >> > 8600 Duebendorf
> >> > Switzerland
> >> >
> >> > Phone: xx41 1 823 4279
> >> > Fax : xx41 1 823 4054
> >> > mail: [log in to unmask]
> >> >
> >> >
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