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(laughing my **** off) Very nice...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wolfgang E. Erat" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TN] Visual Acuity


> ......what do you believe the "processing" differences are between a Class
> II
> product, and 55110 product?
>
> let me guess .. about 20 pounds of paper ????
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
> > I'll concede I missed something there, now help me out with this
thought,
> > what do you believe the "processing" differences are between a Class II
> > product, and 55110 product?
> >
> > Franklin
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Blair K. Hogg" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TN] Visual Acuity
> >
> >
> > Franklin,
> >
> > I think you missed Brian's point somewhat.
> >
> > The easiest way to increase the cost of a product is to over-specify its
> > requirements.
> >
> > Should the components of a portable radio be processed to the same
> standards
> > as those of military flight hardware? The portable radio will most
likely
> > never see the environments that military flight hardware will see,
> although
> > I'll admit that a portable radio can see some pretty nasty environments,
> > e.g., sand, salt atmosphere (at the beach), vibration (bouncing around
in
> > the back of a truck), etc. We would expect the portable radio to survive
> > these environments, but its failure would not be life-threatening. Do we
> > really want to build product that long outlasts its useful life?
> >
> > I agree that we should always strive to make our products better, and
less
> > costly if possible, but then we have to start to get into business
> > strategies and product placement in the market, etc.
> >
> > Products should be specified correctly for their application and for the
> > customer's needs. Anything above that generally adds cost.
> >
> > Blair
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> [log in to unmask] 05/25/04 09:48AM >>>
> > Wow, that was off topic...but since a new one is started let me add
> this...
> >
> > 1. Specifications are here to stay, period.
> > 2. They must be adhered to, period.
> > 3. There are many ways of adhering to most specifications, many ways
cost
> > more than others, most specifications can be met by applying different,
> more
> > cost effective methods than what is 'traditionaly' performed.
> > 4. Instead of cutting back on 'meeting specifications' for non-military
> > product, why not develop cost effective processes so that military and
> > non-military product are processed in a similar manner at the lowest
cost
> > possible. From my perspective, the only real difference between the
> military
> > and non-military product are the additional tests required, and those
> cost's
> > are typically passed on to the customer anyway.
> >
> > Franklin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Ellis" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TN] Visual Acuity
> >
> >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > Interesting point, but an analogic argument can be applied to all
those
> > > who apply rigid standards where they are not necessary. If a product,
> > > process or whatever does what it should do in an acceptable manner
with
> > > appropriate aids provided by the employer, then that is good enough. I
> > > firmly believe that our industry is plagued by
over-specification-itis.
> > > This is often engendered by ignorance; a responsible person has no
idea
> > > what the ramifications of a process or product are so, instead of
> > > learning what it does, he covers his ignorance by applying
> > > specifications and standards, often irrelevant or far too severe, and
> > > costing his employers an arm and a leg in consequence. I see many,
many
> > > examples of this in this forum, as well as visiting clients. In one
> > > company which consulted me, the product was a range of cards for use
in
> > > ordinary PCs used in an office environment. I saved them ~40% of their
> > > production costs and thereby increased their overall gross
profitability
> > > by ~10% simply by showing them that they did not have to build their
> > > products to ultra-reliable military standards -- but it was a hard
> > > battle convincing them.
> > >
> > > I suggest that every manufacturing entity should carefully examine
their
> > > products and processes for over-specification-itis.
> > >
> > > Sorry to diverge off-topic.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > Jack Crawford wrote:
> > > > Any related requirements have been or are being removed from IPC
> > > > standards. The correct assessment is whether an individual can do
the
> > > > job they are required to do in an acceptable manner with appropriate
> > > > aids that may need to be provided by the employer. For broader
> > > > explanation, i.e. avoiding worker discrimination lawsuits, consult
> your
> > > > HR about the Americans with Disabilities Act.
> > > >
> > > > Jack Crawford
> > > > Director, Certification and Assembly Technology
> > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > 847-790-5393
> > > > fax 847-504-2393
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mary Jane Chism [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 2:37 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: [TN] Visual Acuity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Group,
> > > >
> > > > Is it mentioned anywhere in any of the IPC standards a visual acuity
> for
> > > > solder inspection?  Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Mary Jane Chism
> > > >
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