......what do you believe the "processing" differences are between a Class
II
product, and 55110 product?
let me guess .. about 20 pounds of paper ????
Wolfgang
> I'll concede I missed something there, now help me out with this thought,
> what do you believe the "processing" differences are between a Class II
> product, and 55110 product?
>
> Franklin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Blair K. Hogg" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [TN] Visual Acuity
>
>
> Franklin,
>
> I think you missed Brian's point somewhat.
>
> The easiest way to increase the cost of a product is to over-specify its
> requirements.
>
> Should the components of a portable radio be processed to the same
standards
> as those of military flight hardware? The portable radio will most likely
> never see the environments that military flight hardware will see,
although
> I'll admit that a portable radio can see some pretty nasty environments,
> e.g., sand, salt atmosphere (at the beach), vibration (bouncing around in
> the back of a truck), etc. We would expect the portable radio to survive
> these environments, but its failure would not be life-threatening. Do we
> really want to build product that long outlasts its useful life?
>
> I agree that we should always strive to make our products better, and less
> costly if possible, but then we have to start to get into business
> strategies and product placement in the market, etc.
>
> Products should be specified correctly for their application and for the
> customer's needs. Anything above that generally adds cost.
>
> Blair
>
>
>
> >>> [log in to unmask] 05/25/04 09:48AM >>>
> Wow, that was off topic...but since a new one is started let me add
this...
>
> 1. Specifications are here to stay, period.
> 2. They must be adhered to, period.
> 3. There are many ways of adhering to most specifications, many ways cost
> more than others, most specifications can be met by applying different,
more
> cost effective methods than what is 'traditionaly' performed.
> 4. Instead of cutting back on 'meeting specifications' for non-military
> product, why not develop cost effective processes so that military and
> non-military product are processed in a similar manner at the lowest cost
> possible. From my perspective, the only real difference between the
military
> and non-military product are the additional tests required, and those
cost's
> are typically passed on to the customer anyway.
>
> Franklin
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Ellis" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [TN] Visual Acuity
>
>
> > Jack
> >
> > Interesting point, but an analogic argument can be applied to all those
> > who apply rigid standards where they are not necessary. If a product,
> > process or whatever does what it should do in an acceptable manner with
> > appropriate aids provided by the employer, then that is good enough. I
> > firmly believe that our industry is plagued by over-specification-itis.
> > This is often engendered by ignorance; a responsible person has no idea
> > what the ramifications of a process or product are so, instead of
> > learning what it does, he covers his ignorance by applying
> > specifications and standards, often irrelevant or far too severe, and
> > costing his employers an arm and a leg in consequence. I see many, many
> > examples of this in this forum, as well as visiting clients. In one
> > company which consulted me, the product was a range of cards for use in
> > ordinary PCs used in an office environment. I saved them ~40% of their
> > production costs and thereby increased their overall gross profitability
> > by ~10% simply by showing them that they did not have to build their
> > products to ultra-reliable military standards -- but it was a hard
> > battle convincing them.
> >
> > I suggest that every manufacturing entity should carefully examine their
> > products and processes for over-specification-itis.
> >
> > Sorry to diverge off-topic.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Jack Crawford wrote:
> > > Any related requirements have been or are being removed from IPC
> > > standards. The correct assessment is whether an individual can do the
> > > job they are required to do in an acceptable manner with appropriate
> > > aids that may need to be provided by the employer. For broader
> > > explanation, i.e. avoiding worker discrimination lawsuits, consult
your
> > > HR about the Americans with Disabilities Act.
> > >
> > > Jack Crawford
> > > Director, Certification and Assembly Technology
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > 847-790-5393
> > > fax 847-504-2393
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mary Jane Chism [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 2:37 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: [TN] Visual Acuity
> > >
> > >
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Is it mentioned anywhere in any of the IPC standards a visual acuity
for
> > > solder inspection? Thanks.
> > >
> > > Mary Jane Chism
> > >
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