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<IMHO>
I would be in trouble if I lost another 10%.  I can't afford to do it and
keep a roof over my head, food in my cupboard, and medications to keep me
alive.  As long as the cost of living is what it is, cutting wages is not
going to help.

Your assumption that US corporations would hire more people may be a little
off.  Taxes WERE reduced, and corporations DID hire more people.  They were
in Bangalore, Beijing, or Taipei.  The bottom line is all that counts, and
if a corporation can hire people to do something cheaper elsewhere, they
will.  If they don't, their Boards will find people that will.  If they
spend less money on taxes, they will still hire from the cheaper workforce.
Gross margins at my company are better than they have been in 20 years, we
are hiring.  We hired four new people in the department my group is part of.
Three were in India, one was an existing employee from another department.

Loyalty is out of style.  Loyalty to employees, country, founding
principles, whatever.  This is why (no matter WHO gets elected) nothing will
be done about it.  Expecting the gubment to help you is a waste of time, the
only person who will go out of his way to help you is YOU :)
</IMHO>

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George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272         Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com    http://www.pcb-designer.com

It's my opinion, not Tektronix'



-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Dwyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 14:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] tech jobs overseas...


Greetings,
This chain of notes mostly focuses on adapting to the situation.  What would
it take to change the environment?

What I am referring to is lowering the cost of doing business in the U.S..
One way that my company changed in this direction is that a year ago the
entire corporation took about a 10% pay reduction, this did vary from
position to position where the higher managers did take significant larger
drops in compensations.

Another way seems taboo or something because I have not heard any one
speaking about it, and that is through politics.  I am not referring to
tariffs or embargoes or any other artificial market tweaking, what I am
referring to is lowering corporate taxes.  That would, across the board,
lower the cost of doing business in the U.S., which would produce more jobs
which pay taxes.  Whether that would be a break even on taxes who knows but
it surely would help.

Or is a U.S. corporation making a profit not politically correct in todays
society?
Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
Brooks,Bill
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:01 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [DC] tech jobs overseas...


http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P79592.asp

Interesting article on tech jobs being sent overseas...

Looks like, after wading through the editorial 'spin', they may find it's
not such a great money saver for companies as they might have thought...
good old financial types just can't get over chasing the bottom line, until
they reach the bottom. Great at math... but no vision.

Dell has already pulled back some of their call center activity from India
to Texas and Tenn. in response to customer complaints.... Looks like what
customers think actually has an influence on their business strategy after
all.

I expect that PCB design jobs will do something similar... most of my
experiences with purchasing products or services overseas has suffered from
some quality degradation or been downright difficult or un-useable. I would
expect to see a reduction in exporting of jobs here and even maybe an
increase in domestic tech jobs over the next year...or two. It's not likely
to see a wholesale exodus of American jobs to foreign countries once the
'fad' dies down and reality sets in...



Bill Brooks
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510

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