Bill
There's no real need, as I have an extremely effective Bayesian sorting
system for all e-mails. It sends each message to one of a dozen
mailboxes and all the junk directly to the Trash can. It takes no extra
time and all my Technet messages go automatically to the Technet
mailbox. The precision of this free software is amazing: it gets it
right ~99.8% of the time under normal conditions. The result is that I
don't have to read any spam or other junk, although I still have to
download it, hence my vituperation against bounces, much worse than
spam, for me.
Brian
Brooks,Bill wrote:
> It sounds like you have reached the point of decision...
> When I started getting that kind of volume I changed to a new e-mail address
> and was more careful to avoid signing up for anything on-line. That reduced
> it considerably.
>
>
> Bill Brooks
> PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
> Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Ellis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:28 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Spoofed e-mail
>
> Ahne
>
> I would love to live in your e-land. Since 11 July 2003 at 15:06, I've
> received exactly 17,506 e-mails, of which 5,160 were classified as spam,
> bounces or "out-of-office" messages. Now, my ISP filters out most of the
> real spam and virus-carrying messages, so this 29.47% of unwanted
> messages is probably about half real spam and half the rest. Just for
> comparison, there were 4,225 IPC-related messages, mostly TechNet, so
> the volume of junk was more than the IPC EnviroNet, LeadFree and TechNet
> combined. If my ISP did not filter out spam and viruses, I would guess
> there would have been at least 20,000 unwanted ones.
>
> I admit that my ISP was caught napping with MyDoom, as my anti-virus
> picked up exactly 11 attempts to send it to me, the first viruses I've
> seen for many months. But I still say that these bounces are
> unforgiveable and, for me, are worse than the spam or viruses itself.
>
> I use Mozilla Thunderbird as my e-mail client. If you read
> Microelectronics International, due out on 7 May, you will see why I
> prefer it over Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, Pegasus, Netscape
> Messenger etc., as a result of a comparison whereby I used each
> exclusively for at least 4 or 5 weeks, security issues being only one
> factor. I was also quite surprised to find that only 42.37% of persons I
> asked in a micro-poll used Outlook or OE:
> E-mail client No. votes Percentage
> Outlook 13 22.03%
> Outlook Express 12 20.34%
> Netscape 2 3.39%
> Mozilla 9 15.25%
> Mozilla Thunderbird 5 8.47%
> Eudora 3 5.08%
> Pegasus 1 1.69%
> Opera 5 8.47%
> TheBat 0 0%
> Other clients 9 15.25%
> Total 59 100%
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> Ahne Oosterhof wrote:
>
>
>>I do use Outlook, because I like it. I do use anti virus software because
>>too many people dont. I do have a good service provider.
>>Result: I have not seen MyDoom or any of the messages you are complaining
>>about.
>>So it is possible to do it right.
>>Now I have to work on all the ads for that good for me medication.)
>>
>>Regards,
>>Ahne Oosterhof
>>503-641-9428
>>[log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
>>Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 04:01
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: [TN] Spoofed e-mail
>>
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>This is not a spoof. What happened is that X allowed himself to be
>>infected by a worm (probably a MyDoom variant). X's Outlook or Outlook
>>Express Address Book contained [log in to unmask] amongst a host of other
>>addresses. The worm then sent to every address in the address book a
>>copy of itself in a seemingly innocuous message from johnperry. One of
>>these was [log in to unmask] Now the firewall or gateway server at
>>the ix.netcom.com domain detected that this message was infected and
>>bounced back a message to the original apparent sender (johnperry) to
>>tell him he sent a virused message (although, of course, he didn't).
>>Now, something interesting happens if the original server bounces this
>>back again.
>>
>>For this reason, I detest bouncing software. In fact, over the past few
>>daya, I've received 3 times as many bounce messages as spam and domains
>>which bounce spam or viruses cause more harm than good by blocking
>>Internet bandwidth.
>>
>>Of course, this would never happen if people didn't use Outlook or
>>Outlook Express (why do you think Microsoft offered $250,000 for the
>>arrest of the authors of MyDoom? It was not philanthropic; it was
>>because their software propagated it and thus their reputation
>>suffered.) or if they had a valid anti-virus protection.
>>
>>I have written at length about all these security problems in Circuit
>>World, Soldering & SMT and Microelectronics International on a number of
>>occasions, as spammers, bouncers, hackers, crackers and virus writers
>>improve their black technology. To give you an idea, I have five apps on
>>my e-mail 'puter just for security purposes against these collective
>>bastards and I consider them all essential: and I don't use Outlook in
>>any form or flavour.
>>
>>Brian
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