It sounds like you have reached the point of decision...
When I started getting that kind of volume I changed to a new e-mail address
and was more careful to avoid signing up for anything on-line. That reduced
it considerably.
Bill Brooks
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ellis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:28 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Spoofed e-mail
Ahne
I would love to live in your e-land. Since 11 July 2003 at 15:06, I've
received exactly 17,506 e-mails, of which 5,160 were classified as spam,
bounces or "out-of-office" messages. Now, my ISP filters out most of the
real spam and virus-carrying messages, so this 29.47% of unwanted
messages is probably about half real spam and half the rest. Just for
comparison, there were 4,225 IPC-related messages, mostly TechNet, so
the volume of junk was more than the IPC EnviroNet, LeadFree and TechNet
combined. If my ISP did not filter out spam and viruses, I would guess
there would have been at least 20,000 unwanted ones.
I admit that my ISP was caught napping with MyDoom, as my anti-virus
picked up exactly 11 attempts to send it to me, the first viruses I've
seen for many months. But I still say that these bounces are
unforgiveable and, for me, are worse than the spam or viruses itself.
I use Mozilla Thunderbird as my e-mail client. If you read
Microelectronics International, due out on 7 May, you will see why I
prefer it over Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, Pegasus, Netscape
Messenger etc., as a result of a comparison whereby I used each
exclusively for at least 4 or 5 weeks, security issues being only one
factor. I was also quite surprised to find that only 42.37% of persons I
asked in a micro-poll used Outlook or OE:
E-mail client No. votes Percentage
Outlook 13 22.03%
Outlook Express 12 20.34%
Netscape 2 3.39%
Mozilla 9 15.25%
Mozilla Thunderbird 5 8.47%
Eudora 3 5.08%
Pegasus 1 1.69%
Opera 5 8.47%
TheBat 0 0%
Other clients 9 15.25%
Total 59 100%
Brian
Ahne Oosterhof wrote:
> I do use Outlook, because I like it. I do use anti virus software because
> too many people dont. I do have a good service provider.
> Result: I have not seen MyDoom or any of the messages you are complaining
> about.
> So it is possible to do it right.
> Now I have to work on all the ads for that good for me medication.)
>
> Regards,
> Ahne Oosterhof
> 503-641-9428
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 04:01
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Spoofed e-mail
>
>
> Ed
>
> This is not a spoof. What happened is that X allowed himself to be
> infected by a worm (probably a MyDoom variant). X's Outlook or Outlook
> Express Address Book contained [log in to unmask] amongst a host of other
> addresses. The worm then sent to every address in the address book a
> copy of itself in a seemingly innocuous message from johnperry. One of
> these was [log in to unmask] Now the firewall or gateway server at
> the ix.netcom.com domain detected that this message was infected and
> bounced back a message to the original apparent sender (johnperry) to
> tell him he sent a virused message (although, of course, he didn't).
> Now, something interesting happens if the original server bounces this
> back again.
>
> For this reason, I detest bouncing software. In fact, over the past few
> daya, I've received 3 times as many bounce messages as spam and domains
> which bounce spam or viruses cause more harm than good by blocking
> Internet bandwidth.
>
> Of course, this would never happen if people didn't use Outlook or
> Outlook Express (why do you think Microsoft offered $250,000 for the
> arrest of the authors of MyDoom? It was not philanthropic; it was
> because their software propagated it and thus their reputation
> suffered.) or if they had a valid anti-virus protection.
>
> I have written at length about all these security problems in Circuit
> World, Soldering & SMT and Microelectronics International on a number of
> occasions, as spammers, bouncers, hackers, crackers and virus writers
> improve their black technology. To give you an idea, I have five apps on
> my e-mail 'puter just for security purposes against these collective
> bastards and I consider them all essential: and I don't use Outlook in
> any form or flavour.
>
> Brian
>
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