For once, Chuck, we are in complete agreement :-)
Brian
Chuck Dolci wrote:
> Pratap Home wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> There are instances which industry would not publish, especially IBM.
>> Women workers were given alternative jobs after they developed pregnancy
>> related problems at one of the plants. More recently, a court case is
>> being heard in California where some workers claim to have problems
>> after working at San Jose plants for last > 20 years.
>
>
> Having practiced law for nearly 25 years there is one thing I can say
> with complete certainty, any
> correlation between reality and the allegations contained in a Complaint
> (i.e. the document that is
> filed with the court and that starts the lawsuit) is purely
> coincidental. So I would not give any
> credence to the claims set out in a lawsuit. Second, The case by IBM
> workers has nothing to do with
> lead exposure. They are claiming that exposure to chemicals has caused
> their cancers. I have not
> heard that lead is a carcinogen.
>
>>
>> We as technical professionals have to keep this in mind and should not
>> oppose legislation that in long term may prove to be of benefit.
>
>
> True, but we should oppose legislation that in the long term and in fact
> will prove harmful, and if
> we are to be honest we should lok at the burdens and harm caused by such
> legislation so that we can
> balance the good against the evil done.
>
>> It is very hard for manufacturers to admit that their products can cause
>> harm to public ( cigarette manufacturers continued to deny liability for
>> decades that cigarettes are harmful). Latest example is the fast food
>> industry where it has taken 30-40 years for the effects to be visible -
>> that effect is obesity of school age kids. The industry always claimed
>> that their food is safe and nutritious. Now the obesity problem is so
>> obvious, they have started some actions so as to minimize the impact on
>> their sales.
>
> "Fast food" does NOT make people fat and there are NO scientific studies
> to show that. If anyone has
> seen such a study please let us all know. If the only source of food for
> someone who runs 20 miles a
> day is MacDonalds I can guarantee you that that person will not be fat,
> and if he varies his menu
> (at MacDonalds) he will not be unhealthy, except for the damage to bones
> and joints caused by so
> much running.
>
> It is the individual's choice of kind and quantity of food plus a
> sedentary life style (and a very
> big dose of genetics) that determine calories and fat in and calories
> and fat burned. You can
> consume more calories and fat at one dinner with desert at a swank,
> expensive restaurant than you
> can at your local "fast food" place. While there are varieties of fats
> there is no difference
> between the calory or gram of fat that comes from a cheese burger and
> that which comes from a plate
> of meat lasagne smothered in cheese that you get from Mom's home cooking
> or the expensive restaurant
> down the road. Nobody compels customers to "supersize" their meals or
> have greasy fried chicken
> rather than a tofu salad.
>
> There is nothing inherently unhealthy or non-nutritious about the kind
> of foods sold at fast food
> restaurants. The fact that their food is cheap and convenient and people
> over-indulge themselves and
> fail to exercise (and are unlucky enough to have the wrong genes) does
> not mean that fast food
> restaurants should be blamed or held accountable for the consequences of
> people's actions. And in
> closing, I just don't buy the argument that people don't know that "fast
> food is unhealthy" or that
> the fast food places don't give people a choice. When I go into a
> Kentucky Fried Chicken I am
> purposely not looking for a tofu salad - I WANT greasy (although it is
> not really) chicken. And
> whether I buy the 2 piece meal or the 85 piece meal is my decision and
> not KFC's.
>
> This and the post by Pratap certainly have gone off topic, but I think
> it relevant nonetheless.
> Before we start blaming industries or technologies for perceived
> "crises" we should be thorough in
> our analysis and not uncritically buy into popular myths, particularly
> myths propogated by greedy
> and greasy lawyers.
>
> Although, if lawyers have their way I think it will be amusing to see
> fast food restaurants
> installing scales at all of their counters so that all prospective
> customers have to be weighed
> before they are served and if a customer is too fat then having the
> person at the counter say
> "Sorry, you are too fat and unhealthy to have a BigMac, large fries and
> a large Coke. All I can sell
> you is a fish filet sandwich with no tartar sauce and a cup of water.
> That'll be $2.85. Next, please!"
>
>
> Chuck Dolci
>
>>
>> pratap singh
>> 512-255-6820
>> www.rampinc.com
>>
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