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Mel,
surface tension of lf-alloys is higher. Therefore you will find more bridgings
and solder balls.

gebhard









"Mel Parrish" <[log in to unmask]> on 16.07.2003 15:48:04








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I'm trying to recall some work we did in the early 90s with Lead Free alloys because it seems to me that there was a reduction in surface tension rather than an increase. In fact, we had serious issues with accelerated solder climb on leads like SOTs that starved the connection area because the available solder was up the lead rather than in the connection. Solderability and flux performance being a given. Is that incorrect - or - is it alloy specific? Dr John would know but he has moved on to bigger fish and it appears that Dave H. is on vacation. Mel Parrish Director, Training Materials and Resources Soldering Technology International 102 Tribble Drive Madison, AL 35758 256 705 5530 256 705 5538 Fax [log in to unmask] www.solderingtech.com -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Gebhard.Neifer Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:12 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] High temp pastes for wave soldering... As far as I know, surface tension of lead free alloys is higher (-> poorer wetting, more thermal energy to achive same wetting). Flux is an issue for sure. Flux has to be designed for higher temperatures, otherwise it will cause voids during reflow. Gebhard Guy Ramsey <[log in to unmask]> on 15.07.2003 17:35:16 Please respond to "TechNet E-Mail Forum." <[log in to unmask]>;        Please respond to Guy Ramsey <[log in to unmask]>  To: [log in to unmask]  cc: (bcc: Gebhard Neifer/MEGAMOS) GLT: Class.: None Subject: Re: [TN] High temp pastes for wave soldering... Flux is definitely an issue, even when soldering to the lead-free lead finishes. Though I must say, we don't have the answer here. We saw icicles as well, even hand soldering. I think the surface tension is lower in these alloys and it compounds the problem. Clearly the fluxes that were designed to activate and disappear at temperatures around 220 are going to be gone by 240. Dave Hillman are you out there? -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dave Chapman Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:39 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] High temp pastes for wave soldering... Is there an exemption from Lead Free requirements for solder paste? And is that also the case for wave soldering PCBs? Dave Chapman -----Original Message----- From: Guy Ramsey [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:14 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] High temp pastes for wave soldering... Getting the paste isn't too hard. But, reflow (25-40 degrees above liquidous) temperature for those alloys is hazardous for FR-4, and many components. Ceramic chip caps and thick film resistors might be okay but this is clearly over the top for most plastic IC packages. We have done some experimenting with direct attach and forming-gas to ceramic using these alloys. One day we ran an FR-4 board though the oven without thinking. What came out of the oven would best be described as ash with body. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Gregory Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:20 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] High temp pastes for wave soldering... Hi Steve, Hope you don't mind, I put a subject in the subject box for your post... As far as through-put issues with your dispenser, why not print your epoxy. You would do the whole board in well less than 30-seconds, and have much better accuracy and consistency than you could ever expect from a dispenser. As far as high temperature pastes go, you would need one of the high-lead alloys in order to be above the typical solder pot temperature of 500° F (260° C). Getting these alloys in paste form is going to be challenge as well, you can bet that it's going to be a custom order with a minimum buy too. A few of those alloys are:                              ° F ° C Sn10Pb90 514 - 576 268 - 302 Sn10Pb88Ag02 514 - 570 268 - 299 Sn05Pb92.5 Ag2.5 536 280 My two-cents... -Steve Gregory- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- (See attached file: att1.htm) --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ----------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Technet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8e To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest Search the archives of previous posts at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 -----------------------------------------------------

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