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Paul

It's 0.035 millimeters, 35 micrometers and 35,000 nanometers etc!

Just shows that software is fallible.

You missed out the ell! :-)

Brian

paul reid wrote:
> There is a range in the thickness measurements of 1-ounce copper and
> .0014? is on the high side.  Often the actual copper measurements are
> lower.  In fact I rarely measure .0014? for 1 ounce copper foil.  If the
> foil measurement is between .0012? - .0014? I conclude that it is
> 1-ounce copper.
>
> For those who pay attention to such things, here are the thicknesses of
> 1-ounce (0.0014?) copper in most measurements of length.
>
>  Angstrom                                 355.6
>
> Arpent                                      6.07638889 E-10
>
> Astronomical unit                       2.377005348 E-19
>
> Centimeter                                3.556 E ?6
>
> Chain                                       1.767676768 E-9
>
> Cubit (Biblical)                           7.777777778 E-8
>
> Decimeter                                 3.556 E-7
>
> Decameter                                3.556 E-9
>
> Fathom                                     1.944444444 E-8
>
> Fermi                                         35560000
>
> Fingerbreadth (Biblical)               1.866666667 E-6
>
> Foot                                         1.166666677 E-7
>
> Furlong                                    1.767676768 E-10
>
> Hand                                         3.5 E-7
>
> Handbreadth (Biblical)               4.666666667 E-7
>
> Hectometer                              3.556 E-10
>
> Inch                                          1.4 E-6
>
> Kilometer                                 3.556 E-11
>
> Kilosparsec                              1.152401813 E-27
>
> League                                      7.365319865 E-12
>
> Light Year                                  3.758775248 E-24
>
> Link                                             1.767676768 E-24
>
> Long Foot (Biblical)                      6.666666667 E-8
>
> Long Reed (Biblical)                     1.111111111 E-8
>
> Megaparsec                              1.152401813 E-30
>
> Meter                                        3.556 E-8
>
> Micrometer                                0.03556
>
> Mils                                          0.0014
>
> Mile                                         2.2095959596 E-11
>
> Millimeter                                 3.556 E-5
>
> Nanometer                               35.56
>
> Nautical Mile                            1.920086393 E-11
>
> Parsec                                      1.152401813 E-24
>
> Perch                                       7.070707071 E-9
>
> Pica                                          8.4 E-6
>
> Planck                                      2.2225 E-27
>
> Point                                        .0001008
>
> Pole                                         7.07070707071 E-9
>
> Reed (Biblical)                           1.296296296 E-8
>
> Rod                                          7.070707071  E-9
>
> Span (Biblical)                          1.555555556 E-7
>
> Twip                                        0.0002016
>
> Yard                                        3.888888889 E-8
>
>
>
> A very good share ware program, Master Converter, is available at
> www.savardsoftware.com <http://www.savardsoftware.com/>.  A nice feature
> of this program is that you can add your own conversions.  I, for
> example, added a copper ounces per square foot to nominal thickness
> conversion.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Mcmaster, Michael [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>     Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:40 PM
>     To: [log in to unmask]
>     Subject: Re: [TN] (2) Micro-inch to copper weight conversion...
>
>     Sorry, Mike I have to disagree with you on this.  It would be very
>     uncommon to see 1 oz copper at 1.3 mils in a finished board.
>
>     Almost everyone uses foil that is at the thin end of the spec.
>     Why?  Because copper is sold by weight and thinner foil weighs and
>     costs less.  IPC 4562 says that ED foils can be 10% below the listed
>     nominal (nominal for 1 oz is 34.3 um or 1.35 mils).  Foil more
>     commonly comes in at 1.30 mils or less.  Processing does reduce this
>     down to 1.2 or thinner.  Remember on the finished board, the copper
>     thickness only needs to be 1.0 mils.
>
>     Mike McMaster
>     RF Product Engineer
>     Merix Corporation
>     503-992-4263
>
>
>
>           ----------
>           From:   Barmuta, Mike[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>           Reply To:       TechNet E-Mail Forum.;Barmuta, Mike
>           Sent:   Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:19 AM
>           To:     [log in to unmask]
>           Subject:        Re: [TN] (2) Micro-inch to copper weight
>           conversion...
>
>           Robert: Fascinating story about ivory PCB's, never heard that
>           one before.
>
>           I think there needs to be some clarification on the thickness
>           of 1oz Cu
>           foil. It may start out at 1.4 mils but it ends up at about 1.3
>           mils due to
>           processing steps such as deburring and microetch. So in the
>           real world, the
>           boards Steve was questioning that were fabricated using 1oz
>           foil should have
>           a FINISHED Cu foil thickness of 1.3 mils after conventional
>           processing.
>
>
>           Regards
>
>           Michael Barmuta
>
>           Staff Engineer
>
>           Fluke Corp.
>
>           Everett Wa
>
>           425-446-6076
>
>
>
>           -----Original Message-----
>           From: Robert Tarzwell [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>           Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:37 PM
>           To: [log in to unmask]
>           Subject: Re: [TN] Micro-inch to copper weight conversion...
>
>
>           This just goes to show how old I am but when we first started
>           to manufacture
>           printed circuit boards the only copper you could buy was a
>           very thin sheet
>           the roofers used to solder flashes around wondows and stuff it
>           was 2 oz
>           copper and thats how it was sold by the oz. then the lamianted
>           manufatures
>           started to make laminate I think GE was first, or thats who we
>           got, So even
>           though theres lots of replies  it all started  with the
>           available copper of
>           the day. early 1960's
>           Not realy connected but my grandfather told me about making a
>           sort of
>           printed board in the 20's by using IVORY and drawing lines
>           between copper
>           rivets with carbon black in wavy lines to make resistors.
>           Robert tarzwell
>           PS some replies have the thickness of 1 oz of copper incorect
>           it is closer
>           to 1.39 mils. not 1.3
>
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