Hi Bev! I would recommend that you vigorously pursue making your intern
position a "permanent intern" position. It has been my experience that when
times are tough losing the intern position is much less painful than laying
off a permanent position. Additionally, if you have access to a
local/regional university you can get some wonderful interns for a couple
of "tours of duty" before they graduate to the real world. Doug Pauls and I
have made the Materials Science & Engineering department at Iowa State
University our own intern/co-op farm system - we have/had some great "kids"
working on projects for us. The students are eager, have fresh ideas and
think very much "out of the box". The only downside to using interns/co-ops
is the re-training aspects of when a new intern/co-op first starts and
teaching them the wisdom of consuming Mt. Dew or Diet Coke.
Dave Hillman
Rockwell Collins
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George,
Now we are getting somewhere. I like your comments about "never enough"
and "too much".
The reason I ask is that I run a captive lab with 5 people - manager,
chemist, materials scientist, seasoned tech and an intern in a company of
2000. The latter is leaving unexpectedly and I am trying to justify
turning the position into a full time one. We have SIR, EM, x-sectioning,
viscometers, DSC, TMA, DMA, TGA, strain gages, solder pots, tensile
testers, FTIR, XRF, IC, SERA, SEC, ICP, Thermoire and SEM/EDX. Sounds like
I am spoiled in the present environment, but how in the world do you keep
everything in tip top shape with only two people?!!!!
regards,
Bev Christian
Research in Motion
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From: Wenger, George M. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: June 6, 2003 2:44 PM
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Bev,
There is no rule of thumb and when you talk about appropriate level of
staffing there are two views. When your involved in the work the
appropriate level is never enough. When your involved in funding the work
the appropriate level is always too much. I'll give you the numbers that
I've seen over the years. Most of the analysis labs at manufacturing
locations I've interacted with in Western Electric many years ago were
typically staffed with about 6 people for plants that had 8000 to 15000
employees. Several years later the analysis labs at manufacturing
locations I've interacted with in Lucent Technologies were typically
staffed with 2 people for plants that had 3000 to 5000 employees. Our FMA
Lab in Bell laboratories was staffed with 4 people before the
telecommunications industry when through their downturn and at the low
point the Lucent FMA Lab was staffed with 2 people.
When I went to work for the Lucent spin off called Celiant the Lab had 2
people to support 250 employees. Now that Andrew purchased Celiant the Lab
has 2 people to support 4500 employees.
When I've visited CMs I seen any where from 6 to 10 lab people
What I've seen so far is a single company usually has 2 people and one that
works with numerous customers typically have 6
Regards,
George
George M. Wenger (908)-546-4531
Reliability Engineer
RF Power Amplifier Group
Andrew Corporation, 40 Technology Drive, Warren, NJ 07059
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From: Bev Christian [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:51 PM
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Subject: [TN] Technical Question about Materials Labs
Technetters,
This question is directed mainly at the "lab rats" out there.
Are there any rules of thumb that are used to determine the appropriate
level of staffing a lab to support an electronics manufacturing
process/plant/company? Based on what - square footage of lab, plant,
number of people in company? Obviously it is also related to the
complexity of the product(s) and $$ in the pocket of the company. Just
curious. Any of you independent labs willing to wade in on this one?
Susan? Terry?
regards,
Bev Christian
Research in Motion
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