it isn't a question of freedom of speech - we agree that there should be
freedom of speech.
and it isn't a question of some "PC" stuff - (which is used now, and has
been for awhile, as a slander to shut up people who don't agree with you;
as in: you are just so PC that you couldn't possible understand a 'regular'
person; and oh by the way you must be the fringe element)
and Genny should not have been insulted for speaking her mind (in a very
professional way); and she has a right if she was insulted by Earl to feel
insulted; it doesn't mean she is the problem - she is not the problem
and the forum isn't the lesser for Earl (I don't know the other guy);
frankly he wasn't always right - but you couldn't tell him that; and some
of his information was dated - OK, so he didn't want to move from his
position - his loss
and it wasn't just that he was crude and egotistical - again, his problem;
I just didn't like him, so what, that's my problem
but it was that he monopolized the forum as his very own email system and
every little burb of a thought he had he spurted out - and I personally
think that in that way he blocked a wider participation - which is
something we have now.
he can come back anytime he wants to - his decision; he needs to abide by
the same code of conduct we all have to we when agree to use this medium;
and the requirements, in my opinion, are not stifling my ability to recieve
or exchange information -
the issue is if Earl can be a team player; can he be one of the tribe?
Genny, thank you for having the courage to be the first to speak.
"Cagle, James" <[log in to unmask]>@LISTSERV.IPC.ORG> on
06/06/2003 12:13:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] NTC...The return of an old sage...
I am still fairly new to the list, but I would like to see anyone with the
knowedge to help us on the list. We are all not always right in how we say
stuff, but we all want to help and gain more knowedge. If Earl and others
really got people mad (sorry, hope I don't affend, please just delete their
emails without reading. We need freedom of speech.
>
> James Cagle
> Tyco Printed Circuit Group-Hayward Division
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: gaby [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC...The return of an old sage...
I would rather learn from a bold person than have tea with a polite one.
It was free for your taking, but if you mind a little scratch more than
knowledge, you are welcome to lick it.
Gaby
Original Message -----
From: "Genny Gibbard" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC...The return of an old sage...
> I hope I don't get flamed for this but I have to speak up for those that
may
> be uncomfortable speaking against so many positive voices.
>
> Paul is before my time on the list, I have no opinion one way or the
other.
> If he wants to come back, that's fine.
>
> Earl Moon - I know he has a lot of great knowledge. I don't dispute
that,
> but AT TIMES he was extremely crude and offensive with his language. It
was
> especially offensive towards women. He never really apologized, he just
> said, effectively, 'this is the way I am, take me or leave me, I'm not
> changing how I respond to things' and then he left.
> Well, I'm sorry, I'm no politically correct guru that is trying to police
> the list, but to be a functioning member of society there are times when
we
> ALL must be polite and watch what we say or how we say it.
> If Earl can't or won't learn that lesson, I don't want him back. If he
is
> willing to temper his responses a little, and be a little more
professional,
> I welcome his knowledge back.
>
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