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Hi George,

I will keep the data submitted to me and assemble an overview or an article
on the subject from the responses for publication in the Route not revealing
the confidential sources but just referring to the basic statistics.. (If I
get enough responses) It would be good to have an idea what the 'going rate'
in your area is and what you can charge within reason in that area.
Certainly there are many various factors that affect what a designer can
charge. Since a lot of Designers are consulting to make ends meet I think it
would help us all to get a snapshot of the situation. Certainly the market
in your area will have varying expectations as well. It might help in the
justification of rates argument too. It's a good topic and I'm sure many of
us have asked ourselves the same question. It could help some of us get
through the hard times to have a guide of some sort to refer to.

Best regards,

Bill Brooks, CID


-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask]
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [DC] Design Consulting Labor rates?

Good idea Bill.

In fact, maybe the Designers Council should do something like this as a
service to the members.  It could be done fairly anonymously, with the data
put on the web in the "members only" area.  It could be expanded to have
contractor, job shop, and direct rates, too.  The Designers Council is "for
members, by members" and this could be useful to the members in these hard
times.

--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272         Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com <http://www.tektronix.com>
http://www.pcb-designer.com

It's my opinion, not Tektronix'




-----Original Message-----
From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 13:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [DC] Design Consulting Labor rates?


Hi Designer's Council members,

Things have changed a lot since I used to consult hand tape artwork in the
late 70's and 80's. I have seen some formula's for quoting jobs as a
consultant and I am curious to know what labor rates are being charged by
other consultant PCB Designers.

We did quote boards based on the number of component leads or connections or
in the case of thru hole technology holes or pads. If I remember design and
tape back then was about $2.00 a hole to $2.50 a hole or component lead
based on the density of the board.

What are consultants getting paid to do consulting design work these days
and how are they quoting their jobs to be competitive?

I would expect to see differences across the country based on location and
type of board design. Also what software platform is being used would
probably come into play.

Anyone want to comment on their experiences or method of coming up with a
quote and break it down to its fundamental cost drivers?

By the way.. it's okay to comment to me directly instead of the open list. I
respect your discretion and will keep the information confidential if you so
wish.

Best regards,

Bill Brooks, CID

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