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Earl Moon <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:13:19 -0400
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Mingling and fingering more with the younger folks might just prevent the
continuous cycle we seem to go through too often wherein the younger
engineers seem to reinvent the widget over and over. This can be troublesome
when trying to make forward progress let alone making something like DFM
work.

Enjoy your whaling heritage whether in the garden or in your Navigator,

Earl

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ingemar Hernefjord (EMW)" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TN] FAULT/DEFECT TEST STRATEGY


> Earl(y)in the morning here,
> envy your background, captain. Only navigation I do is on Navigator. Saw
movie about Shackelton's attempts to cross the Antarctic. He went to unknown
land (ice) with a wooden vessel and sextant and poor binoculars, I go to
work with modern car and find it troublesome sometimes. My granpa was a
whale hunter, I'm hunting snails in garden. I feel like living in wrong
century.
>
> On DFM. I think we in production (talking for myself)sometimes are little
too limited to our own area. Many of my colleagues here agree. We should
mingle more with the young desingners, appear voluntarily and unexpectedly,
sneek around and put a finger on the drawings, supervise, educate and put
our positions as early as possible in the chain. All know and we have such
team meetings with fine names as 'Predesign Discussion Board' and like, but
on the whole we miss to apply our experience early enough. We are seemingly
apt to fall into traquil walking pace. And live in our own  little world.
Especially at my age, 50+.
>
> And finally, to justify the 'youngsters', they are well compensated with
fresher brains, fresher ideas and lots of energy...so, we may at all do
pretty well, don't we? The ancient gods did not like human perfection,
perhaps 95% success is optimal?
> Best regards
>
> Ingemar
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Earl Moon [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: den 2 juli 2002 18:55
> To: TechNet E-Mail Forum.; Ingemar Hernefjord (EMW)
> Subject: Re: Re: [TN] FAULT/DEFECT TEST STRATEGY
>
>
> Ingemar,
>
> As a former aircraft navigator, before becoming a pilot, I think I coined
> the term terrorist before current models were invented. Used to use a
> sextant to shoot sun lines and star fixes. Real Magellan but terrorized
many
> of my crew members when, only occasionally, straying just a bit off course
> mostly when following the wrong star. Nothing changed for me in these
times
> but some stars still shine brighter than others. Whether they'll offer the
> correct course is another matter. You're certainly right when addressing
DFM
> in such a way.
>
> Earl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ingemar Hernefjord (EMW)" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [TN] FAULT/DEFECT TEST STRATEGY
>
>
> > So, so, don't weep dear Peter,
> > next line may comfort you a little
> > Production engineers are not included, what we mean are Design
> Engineers...woe, woe...now I'll get that beeswarm on myself instead...
> > Like your humoristic spirit, Peter...
> >
> > Severily: DFM is like star of Betlehem, we too try to walk steadily in
> that direction.Unfortunately, some young Design Engineers don't take DFM
> seriously.
> >
> > Ingemar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: den 2 juli 2002 10:11
> > To: TechNet E-Mail Forum.; Ingemar Hernefjord (EMW)
> > Cc: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [TN] FAULT/DEFECT TEST STRATEGY
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Ingemar,
> >
> > I am deeply hurt! (sulk!) What's wrong with us Production Engineers, eh?
> We
> > have to make all this hardware so that it works, and it's important that
> we
> > have an input to board design. Maybe you're actually a wee Viking devil,
> > sitting on Earl's left shoulder, tempting him away from the true path of
> > DFM!?
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ingemar Hernefjord (EMW)" <[log in to unmask]>
> > 02/07/2002 02:49 PM
> > Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > Please respond to "TechNet E-Mail Forum."; Please respond to "Ingemar
> > Hernefjord (EMW)"
> >
> >               To:  [log in to unmask]
> >               cc:  (bcc: DUNCAN Peter/Asst Prin Engr/ST Aero/ST Group)
> >               Subject: Re: [TN] FAULT/DEFECT TEST STRATEGY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Earl,
> > you seem to cover most in those few lines
> > I would add this first thing I did: use only highly skilled operators
> > (unless you see 'capabilities' below as human resources). Best
guarantee,
> > better than good engineers....gosh...I'll be in bad situation now...
> > Best regards
> > Ingemar Hernefjord
> > PS. unwritten rule here : never let in an engineer in the production!
Bit
> > of black humour, but with great deal of truth.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Earl Moon [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: den 1 juli 2002 19:14
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [TN] FAULT/DEFECT TEST STRATEGY
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I am not a test engineer but having to do catch up quickly to develop a
> > sensible test strategy to find faults and/or defects usin a combination
of
> > test disciplines and elements. Watched my board designer spend a very
long
> > time placing 1800 test points, some not on grid, as something of an
> > experiment on a non-HDI, but approaching it, and didn't like the
results.
> >
> > I'm hoping some of you can offer positive, or negative, criticism
> > concerning
> > the following summary I've come up with though probably not new to you
> all:
> >
> > SUMMARY
> > When considering a new, fairly complex, high density PCB design (defined
> > often on the basis of how many and what pitch area array devices are
> > required) with limited test probe access for ICT, the following
> > considerations should be met:
> > 1) Ensure only highly qualified board fabrication capabilities are used.
> > This must be done to provide printed circuitry that has the highest
> > laminate
> > integrity, hole quality and reliability, plated or coated surfaces that
> > solder wet, and the ability to do adequate bare board testing in
> > conjunction
> > with effective X-Sectional analysis. This will prevent many other
defects
> > during the assembly operation as poor quality solder joints, and shorts
or
> > opens when hole walls fail.
> > 2) Ensure only highly qualified assembly capabilities are used. This
must
> > be
> > done to provide defect free assemblies with high quality and reliability
> > solder joints, specified component placement and orientation, and the
> > ability to prove all this with a well thought out test strategy.
> > 3) Ensure a well thought out test strategy is in place consisting of
some
> > or
> > all the following:
> > ?
> > X-Ray used on all area array devices to ensure high quality solder
joints
> > and the ability to reduce the number of test probe pins and test points
> > relating to these device types.
> > ?
> > AOI capabilities to determine solder joint quality for leaded and
discrete
> > SMD?s as well as specified component types with proper orientations,
> > polarity, and values. This too will minimize the number of test points
> > required along with attendant bed of nails in those areas shown to meet
> > specified requirements.
> > ?
> > The use of boundary scan in those circuit areas deemed viable for such
> > testing.
> > With all the above, it is possible to create and implement a test
strategy
> > capable of providing for all test requirements for our board types but
RF.
> > I
> > am studying a R/F test plan.
> >
> >
> > Earl Moon
> >
>
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