Hi Dougal,
OSP sounds attractive but can I seek your views on a couple of points?
We double side reflow and clean between operations to avoid baking the flux
on. These are complex boards and can take several days to progress through
the line. Will the OSP stay fresh for the second side reflow or would we
have to treat the surface? Will cleaning take it off? (Prozone).
Regards
Eric Dawson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dougal Stewart [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Immersion Silver
>
> I would like to know why people don't use OSP - from a board shop's
> viewpoint, it is the best finish to put on a board - why ? because it is
> very simple chemistry, puts no thermal shock on the product, is applied on
> a
> SHORT conveyor line, and can be easily reworked unlike ANY of the other
> finishes. The assembly guys don't like it if they start assembling a
> product
> and then stop because they don't have the parts to finish the job, but
> anyone that puts a board into assembly without the ability to finish it
> within 6 hours obviously knows nothing about world class manufacturing
> practise. As for shelf life, if your stock is even 2 years old, send the
> boards back to the board shop and for a small fee they just put them back
> down the line again and you have a finish that is good as new, without
> having undergone a vicious chemical attack to remove the finish.
> Just my thoughts !
> Dougal Stewart
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack C. Olson" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [TN] Immersion Silver
>
>
> > Hmmm,
> >
> > Well, at some point in EVERY new technology it was used by less
> > than 3% of the world, eh? Guess I'm just a trailblazer....
> >
> > naw, just kiddin ya.
> > I subscribed to a magazine called Circuitree, and the last issue
> > came bundled with another publication called "The Board Authority"
> > which has some very well written (and well researched!) articles
> > on alternate finishes. I can't see any downside to using silver
> > in our applications, and I've looked all through the archives for
> > Technet, DesignerCouncil and PCDlist forums, still no show-stoppers,
> > so we tried it for the first time on our last design. Yes, HASL and
> > NiGold do work fine, but maybe we can get the same functionality
> > for cheaper, and do our fab vendor a favor in the process, since
> > they seem to prefer it (less steps? more reliable? not sure) maybe
> > the fab guys can answer that one....
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "WEEKES, MICHAEL HS-SNS" <[log in to unmask]>
> > 17Apr2002 09:16 AM
> >
> >
> > To: "'TechNet E-Mail Forum.'" <[log in to unmask]>
> > "'Jack C. Olson'" <[log in to unmask]>
> > cc:
> >
> > Subject: RE: [TN] Immersion Silver
> > Retain Until: 05/17/2002 Retention Category: G90 - Information and
> Reports
> > Caterpillar Confidential: Green
> >
> >
> > There must be some reason why less than 3% of the world has moved toward
> > immersion silver. Why doesn't HASL or NiGold work for your application?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jack C. Olson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 7:39 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [TN] Immersion Silver
> >
> >
> > The PCD magazine list went down before I could get an
> > answer to this question, does anyone have experience
> > with silver and contact switches?
> >
> > ==============================================
> >
> > Most sources say a silver surface will not be solderable
> > after a month or so unprotected. (Even in a baggie it will
> > be okay a year later?)
> > Anyway, you say it is good for switches, which would solve
> > some of our hard gold plating problems.
> >
> > But I would think the "unsolderability" of the aged silver
> > surface (unprotected in the unit and tarnished?) would
> > affect the reliability of the switches, wouldn't it?
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Mongey <[log in to unmask]>@freelists.org
> > 4Apr2002 06:08 AM
> >
> > Please respond to [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Sent by: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > cc:
> >
> > Subject: [pcdlist] Re: Immersion Silver
> > Retain Until: 05/04/2002 Retention Category: G90 - Information and
> Reports
> > Caterpillar Confidential: Green
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Good to see Immersion Silver is starting to take off. We've been
> using
> > it
> > in here for about two years, and it is now our prefered board finish (We
> > get silver finish unless we specify differently.) More common useage
> will
> > mean that maybe more Far Eastern shops will start supplying it.
> >
> > We started to use Silver because it is so adaptable to what we need
> > our
> > PCB surface finish to do, namely:
> >
> > 1. Good solderability. (Silver excels at this, ask any vendor).
> > 2. Flatness for fine pitch SMT. (Silver is as flat, if not flatter than
> > Gold)
> > 3. Mechanical strength for carbon pill switch contacts / Elastomer
> > contacts. ( Flash Gold is weak, and hard Gold gives SMT solderability
> > problems)
> > 4. Stability for compression power contacts. (We have power contacts on
> our
> > PCBs that mate to battery contacts via a spring compression. We found
> that
> > the nickel under gold can cause problems with electrochemical migration
> > toward our battery contact.)
> >
> > Immersion silver is the most suitable choice that can do all four. I'd
> use
> > gold as an alternative, but we'd have to compromise our designs
> somewhat.
> >
> > We specify our Silver finish as 0.1 Microns Min to 0.2 Microns Max, over
> > bare copper. Anyone else do it differently? Or do we trust our board
> shops?
> > :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob Mongey.
> > CAD Technician.
> >
> > Robert Mongey <[log in to unmask]> Tel : +353 (0)91 774300
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