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Trials were also conducted in Plessey in the late 80s using an ICI u/s tank
and Arklone. The engineer concerned found that the standard packages used
were all OK after a total of 24 hours exposure. No functional degradation at
all, but, boy!, were they clean!
Unfortunately, the study was never published and the engineer himself passed
away a few years ago so I was never able to obtain confirmation in writing.
I am surprised that one of the larger suppliers of u/s cleaning equipment
has not undertaken a definitive study and published the results. Or have
they and I just missed it?
Regards
Eric Dawson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Fenner [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:26 AM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: [TN] Cleaning paste when misaligned.
>
> Back in the days when F113 was the best thing since sliced bread there
> were several studies on bond wire integrity in ultrasonic cleaning. In
> this country by ICI (then supplying  F113 cleaners under brand name
> Arklone, equivalent to Dupont Freon) and Marconi Stanmore in UK. Possibly
> also the UK National Physical Laboratory, although it might be that
> Marconi and NPL collaborated.
>
> Basically they concluded that there was possibly a problem with the then
> frequency used [40kHz], but this would really only affect poor quality
> wire bonds that would fail anyway. Modern units run at 70kHz and/or sweep
> the frequencies so eliminating the problem.  This was all ages ago and my
> memory may be a little poor on the details, but the essentials are
> correct.
>
> Are we now saying that component sizes are now so reduced that there is a
> problem again?
>
> Best regards
>
> Mike Fenner
> Applications Engineer, European Operations
> Indium Corporation
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> M: + 44 7810 526 317
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> Leadfree: http://Pb-Free.com <http://pb-free.com/>
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Guy Ramsey
>       Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:15 PM
>       To: [log in to unmask]
>       Subject: Re: [TN] Cleaning paste when misaligned.
>
>
>       I don't mean to cause any undue concern. The issue is fairly simple
> . . . You can break glass and ceramic with sound but it is not likely if
> you are careful. But ultrasonic cleaning can break wire bonds, and wires,
> this is especially true in controls, ceramic ICs and the like were the
> wires are not encapsulated and subject to vibration. There are
> technologies that are effective in reducing this type of damage. Hope this
> relieves your fear. If you are still concerned then you have some homework
> to do. What frequency and power does you cleaner work at. What is a
> construction of the packages in question . . . stuff like that.
>
>               -----Original Message-----
>               From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Howard
> Watson
>               Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:46 AM
>               To: [log in to unmask]
>               Subject: Re: [TN] Cleaning paste when misaligned.
>
>
>
>               Mike and Guy,
>
>               We routinely clean the second side of misprint solder paste,
> but from what you are saying perhaps there could be a problem with
> damaging some components.  The components that we clean in the ultrasonic
> cleaner are mostly flat chip package, C lead diodes, and some SOT-23 and
> SOIC.  How do I verify which components can or cannot go in the cleaner?
> Is there any test data out there to support this issue?  Though we clean
> very few misprints, I am a little concerned.  Thanks for your help!
>
>               Howard Watson
>               Manufacturing Engineer
>               AMETEK/Dixson
>
>
>
>       "Barmuta, Mike" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]>
>
> 10/26/01 09:02 AM
> Please respond to "TechNet E-Mail Forum."
>
>
>
>         To:        [log in to unmask]
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Re: [TN] Cleaning paste when mis-aligned.
>
>
>
>               Cathy: This should not be a problem for the bare (unloaded)
> PCB. However if
>               you are doing a double sided reflow and   misprint the
> second side you need
>               to verify that the first side components are compatible with
> the ultrasonics
>               you are using.
>
>
>               Regards
>
>               Michael Barmuta
>
>               Staff Engineer
>
>               Fluke Corp.
>
>               Everett WA
>
>               425-446-6076
>
>               -----Original Message-----
>               From: Cathy Killen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>               Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:30 AM
>               To: [log in to unmask]
>               Subject: [TN] Cleaning paste when mis-aligned.
>               Importance: High
>
>
>               Hello All & the mountain dew man.
>               Can a mis-printed PCB be washed in a ultrasonic bath to
> remove all paste
>               particles?
>               Is there any danger of damaging innerlayers of PCB?
>
>               Thanks in advance.
>
>               Cathy Killen
>               Training Instructor
>               Smtek Europe Ltd.
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