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HEY HEY HEY!

OFF TOPIC AS IT IS, GO TO DOVEBID.COM ASAP!  THEY ARE AUCTIONING OFF A WHOLE
PLANE... ONLY PROBLEM.... UMMMM....IT CAUGHT FIRE.  GOTTA LOVE IT. PEOPLE
DON'T REALIZE THAT THE AVERAGE 727 TENDS TO BE TWICE A BIG AS THE CURRENT
AMERICAN STANDARD FOR A HOUSE!

L8R. (P.S. CAPS LOCK ON FOR A REASON!)


MARK ROSS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl VanWormer" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:59 PM
Subject: [TN] Off-Topic - coatings for airplane-home


> Definitely off-topic, but interesting . . .
>
> I have a friend who is making his new home out of a 727 airplane (see
> www.AirplaneHome.com <http://www.AirplaneHome.com>  for details).  He is
> investigating coatings he might use to "paint the house", and has rejected
> his first choice (Kapton) when he found that it deteriorates when exposed
to
> UV and Oxygen (I think that was what it was).   Since I've seen some
amazing
> insights shared on this group, I thought I'd dangle this challenge in
front
> of the group to see what happens . . .  Any (and all) suggestions will be
> appreciated and investigated.  Please let me know of your suggestions and
> I'll forward them to him.
>
> Thanks
>
> Carl Van Wormer
> Cipher Systems
> 1815 NW 169th Place, Suite 5010
> Beaverton, OR  97006
> Phone (503)-617-7447    Fax (503)-617-6550
>
>
>
> p.s.  here's a snippet from my last contact with the airplane/home owner:
> Hot dog, thanks very much.  I've always been very fond of RTVs - they seem
> more stable than any conventional paint, or any other coating short of
> Teflon.  I've never in my life seen any evidence of any form of
> deterioration
> of RTVs, and they've been around since I was a kid.  I've always thought
> they'd make a great roof coating for my mobile home (back when maintenance
> of
> the structure would've been justified) or the freight vans.
>
> The timing is quite good too in that I've been thinking about coatings
> again.
>  I've been pressure washing again in the last few days, and I've noted
that,
>
> while the color coats often flake off, the chromates don't, although they
> can
> bleed off.  That is, the chromates seem to form a chemical bond with the
> aluminum, whereas the paint just forms an adhesive bond, which, like all
> adhesive bonds, is unreliable.  When the pressurized water is forced onto
> the
> chromate at its most aggressive (with the wand within a cm or two of the
> surface), the chromate sometimes get fainter and fainter as if they're
being
>
> abraded off.  But they never peel.  That's impressive.
>
> And that's what I'd like in a coating - a true chemical bond, so that it's
> literally part of the metal, not just a layer over the metal.  Well, that,
> plus absolute immunity to UV, chemical weathering, and every other factor
> that makes a coating just plain perfect.
>
> Teflon's been on my mind too.  It's extremely stable of course.  But I'm
not
>
> sure what the nature of it's bond is, or what the economics are - I need
to
> look into it.
>
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