Jim
I'm also addresing this to Edward, who wrote a similar message to
your's.
As you are probably aware from previous postings, I am sympathetic to
Gordon's position concerning LF (but not concerning recycling, although
I oppose the EU position on it).
When I said he "went too far", my intention was to convey that he let
his feelings run away with him to the extent that it negated the impact
of his message, IMHO. My patent attorney used to tell me that a
paragraph should never contain more than five lines, otherwise you can
drive a horse and cart through it. So be it with this kind of argument:
with long screeds, one tends to end up contradicting oneself. Besides
which, with all due respect to him, there were several emotional notes
creeping into the score. This is inevitable when one feels passionately
about a subject. Passion without emotion is a contradiction in terms. At
the ripe old age of 69, I'm still trying (with only partial success) to
learn detachment from the subjects I feel passionately about and
sustainability in engineering is one of those. I try to examine the
holistic approach on this kind of matter, without being too judgmental.
This means going back to the sources and their impacts, right through to
the interment, examining all the side effects at each stage, including
energy requirements, health & safety, the environment, the economy and
so on. I try not to focus on a single aspect. However, I'm quite
prepared to admit that this approach is still in its infancy, so we have
to feel our way.
I hope that this makes my statement clear.
Brian
Jim Smith wrote:
>
> Brian:
>
> You're right on one point; it's too late for Gordon to retrieve his digital message. You have
> also satisfied my curiosity about whether you own and use a comprehensive thesaurus; obviously,
> you do.
>
> But you're way out of line when accusing Gordon of "going too far, this time."
>
> Gordon has been one of the most moderate, restrained and scientific minds in electronics
> assembly for as long as I can remember. His postings on this forum consistently serve to remind
> me that there has been far too much conjecture and not nearly enough hard science with respect
> to the lead issue. Today's essay (it was, after all, much more than the casually drafted notes
> most of us drop in here) was one of Gordon's masterworks. Read it again if you believe it does
> anything more offensive than state several points that should be evident to any science-oriented
> individual:
>
> 1. Not all parties in the environmental movement are in it for selfless reasons; of course,
> many are, but not all. The motives of some parties who were most active in elevating the fear of
> lead in electronics are transparently self-serving; for example, I understand that the EU was
> "advised" by an affiliate of the tin industry association. (Note that the tin industry reference
> is my own and should not be attributed to Gordon.) These are the parties Gordon terms
> "misleaders."
> 2. Not all the parties whose environmental activism is based on the purest motives are free of
> scientific misconceptions. This does not make them evil, only emotional captives of bad
> "science." In Gordon's terms, these would be the "misled."
> 3. When proven science contravenes "conventional wisdom," those of us in the sciences must
> attempt to educate those who believe in fictional "facts;" that theme has been recurrent in
> Gordon's postings for some time now. This is presenting the "evidence," which Gordon has done at
> length lately. (The symmetry of Gordon's call for evidence, would be for the environmentalists
> to provide evidence that the lead used in our industry is environmentally harmful.)
> 4. I have moved Gordon's third point ("victims") to fourth because (a) I believe it works more
> neatly into my exposition and (b) the stakes are much greater than Gordon has, in his typical
> understated manner, laid out. Yes, banning lead would likely result in some premature
> retirements of specialists in the tin/lead alloys but the better minds in that area are also
> quite adept with respect to other alloys. My concept of "victims" would encompass the
> electronics assembly companies and their customers. Most companies will be forced to acquire new
> equipment, learn new process profiles and divert resources (human and monetary) that could
> better be used in countless other ways. Their customers should expect to endure significantly
> higher failure rates as process temperatures rise significantly.
>
> Finally, Brian, did you take the time to consider Gordon's list of questions that need to be
> asked and answered before taking any position (for or against) banning lead?
>
> For my part, I read Gordon's thesis carefully and agree with his conclusion that we as an
> industry must save ourselves by countering the "environmental" assertions known to be false and
> questioning those for which there is no evidence either way. Or is the forum dominated by
> individuals whose desire for lead removal is more concerned with personal security than
> environmental issues?
>
> The parts of this posting that are not direct quotes from Gordon are my responsibility, not his.
>
> Jim Smith
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> Brian Ellis wrote:
>
> > Gordon
> >
> > I don't see how you can recall it. You may ask the IPC to remove it but
> > what has been said, has been said. The moving finger writes and, having
> > writ, moves on. Nor all thy piety nor wit can move it back to cancel
> > half a line.
> >
> > I can understand your wish to recall such a diatribe, tirade, lecture,
> > lesson, preaching, reprimand, reproach, reproof, remonstration,
> > remonstrance, scolding, oration, peroration, declamation, philippic,
> > screed, exhortation, gasconade, vociferation, rhetoric, pontification,
> > vituperation, rodomontade and possibly some other words that escape me
> > for the moment. What I don't understand is that the interval between its
> > publication and its recall is as short as 23 minutes, apparently without
> > pressure.
> >
> > Maybe you have realised that you went too far, this time. I think you
> > did.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Brian
> > "Davy, Gordon" wrote:
> > >
> > > Davy, Gordon would like to recall the message, "Misleaders, misled, and
> > > victims, and how to deal with them".
> > >
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