Perhaps it would be useful for you to research some of the actual
reasons behind EU activities to ban hazardous substances, for example
the Ospar convention of 1992 (see link). Of course these
intergovernmental agreements not only effect the electronics industry,
but the automotive industry, ammunition and many other sectors.
http://www.ospar.org/eng/html/sap/strategy_hazardous_substances.htm#Prea
mbule
This is also the reason that well known retailers in the UK such as
Homebase (parent company Sainsbury) and Marks and Spencer will not be
selling products that contain lead or other relevant substances after
2005.
And yes I know that the Ospar list also contains organotin compounds.
Kay
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Smith [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 14 August 2001 20:13
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] Recall: Misleaders, misled,and victims,and how to deal
with the m
Brian:
You're right on one point; it's too late for Gordon to retrieve his
digital message. You have
also satisfied my curiosity about whether you own and use a
comprehensive thesaurus; obviously,
you do.
But you're way out of line when accusing Gordon of "going too far, this
time."
Gordon has been one of the most moderate, restrained and scientific
minds in electronics
assembly for as long as I can remember. His postings on this forum
consistently serve to remind
me that there has been far too much conjecture and not nearly enough
hard science with respect
to the lead issue. Today's essay (it was, after all, much more than the
casually drafted notes
most of us drop in here) was one of Gordon's masterworks. Read it again
if you believe it does
anything more offensive than state several points that should be evident
to any science-oriented
individual:
1. Not all parties in the environmental movement are in it for selfless
reasons; of course,
many are, but not all. The motives of some parties who were most active
in elevating the fear of
lead in electronics are transparently self-serving; for example, I
understand that the EU was
"advised" by an affiliate of the tin industry association. (Note that
the tin industry reference
is my own and should not be attributed to Gordon.) These are the parties
Gordon terms
"misleaders."
2. Not all the parties whose environmental activism is based on the
purest motives are free of
scientific misconceptions. This does not make them evil, only emotional
captives of bad
"science." In Gordon's terms, these would be the "misled."
3. When proven science contravenes "conventional wisdom," those of us
in the sciences must
attempt to educate those who believe in fictional "facts;" that theme
has been recurrent in
Gordon's postings for some time now. This is presenting the "evidence,"
which Gordon has done at
length lately. (The symmetry of Gordon's call for evidence, would be for
the environmentalists
to provide evidence that the lead used in our industry is
environmentally harmful.)
4. I have moved Gordon's third point ("victims") to fourth because (a)
I believe it works more
neatly into my exposition and (b) the stakes are much greater than
Gordon has, in his typical
understated manner, laid out. Yes, banning lead would likely result in
some premature
retirements of specialists in the tin/lead alloys but the better minds
in that area are also
quite adept with respect to other alloys. My concept of "victims" would
encompass the
electronics assembly companies and their customers. Most companies will
be forced to acquire new
equipment, learn new process profiles and divert resources (human and
monetary) that could
better be used in countless other ways. Their customers should expect to
endure significantly
higher failure rates as process temperatures rise significantly.
Finally, Brian, did you take the time to consider Gordon's list of
questions that need to be
asked and answered before taking any position (for or against) banning
lead?
For my part, I read Gordon's thesis carefully and agree with his
conclusion that we as an
industry must save ourselves by countering the "environmental"
assertions known to be false and
questioning those for which there is no evidence either way. Or is the
forum dominated by
individuals whose desire for lead removal is more concerned with
personal security than
environmental issues?
The parts of this posting that are not direct quotes from Gordon are my
responsibility, not his.
Jim Smith
Managing Director
Cambridge Management Sciences, Inc.
4285 45th St. S.
St. Petersburg, FL 33711-4431
Tel: (727)866-6502 ext. 21
Fax: (727)867-7890
eMail: [log in to unmask]
Brian Ellis wrote:
> Gordon
>
> I don't see how you can recall it. You may ask the IPC to remove it
but
> what has been said, has been said. The moving finger writes and,
having
> writ, moves on. Nor all thy piety nor wit can move it back to cancel
> half a line.
>
> I can understand your wish to recall such a diatribe, tirade, lecture,
> lesson, preaching, reprimand, reproach, reproof, remonstration,
> remonstrance, scolding, oration, peroration, declamation, philippic,
> screed, exhortation, gasconade, vociferation, rhetoric, pontification,
> vituperation, rodomontade and possibly some other words that escape me
> for the moment. What I don't understand is that the interval between
its
> publication and its recall is as short as 23 minutes, apparently
without
> pressure.
>
> Maybe you have realised that you went too far, this time. I think you
> did.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brian
> "Davy, Gordon" wrote:
> >
> > Davy, Gordon would like to recall the message, "Misleaders, misled,
and
> > victims, and how to deal with them".
> >
> >
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