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Brian Ellis <[log in to unmask]>
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Ken

I always thought a google was in Internet search engine and a googleplex
was the result of getting 10,000 replies to a query :-)

Brian

Ken Mc Gowan wrote:
>
> Now a really big one 10^100 is a google and a google^a google = a
> googleplex, no cheating here.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Ken Mc Gowan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Ellis" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [TN] [LF] FT Article
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > OK, I guess we taxed you too heavily on tea! Anyway, Colombian coffee
> > (and other products) required fewer transport costs.
> >
> > I know of no name to represent 10^15 or 10^21 other than thousand
> > billion (trillion), but you are quite right with the 24 exponent of
> > quadrillion. I don't believe I've ever seen pent-, hex- illion, either.
> > Maybe it becomes zillions over 10^24 :-)
> >
> > I've looked up two of the best UK dictionaries (Oxford and Collins).
> > They both give billion as 10^12 with 10^9 mentioned afterwards under
> > "(chiefly US)". Oxford adds a usage note after milliard "The term
> > milliard has been largely superseded by billion", making it delightfully
> > ambiguous! Collins does not fall in this trap but defines milliard as "A
> > thousand million (US billion)".
> >
> > George Bernard Shaw was attributed to having said "England and America
> > are two countries divided by a common language.".
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > "Kasprzak, Bill (sys) USX" wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian:
> > >
> > > Just curious then, can you fill us in on the names of the other apparent
> > > gaps in large number terminology?
> > >
> > > If million, billion, trillion, quadrillion is incorrect (or corrupted?)
> > >
> > > Then fill in the blanks, million, milliard, billion, _____, trillion,
> _____,
> > > quadrillion (10*24).
> > >
> > > Personally, I don't think we meant to shortchange the Brits. I think we
> were
> > > overcharged!
> > >
> > > Bill Kasprzak
> > > Moog Inc., Electronic Assembly Engineering
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Brian Ellis [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:29 AM
> > > > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject:      Re: [LF] FT Article
> > > >
> > > > Actually, Werner, factor of 10^3. A real billion is, and always has
> > > > been, 10^12. The milliard, which our transatlantic friends consider
> > > > non-existent and corruptly call a billion, is 10^9. The confusion has
> > > > become grave because many Brits have now been conned by reading US
> > > > literature into thinking that it is 10^9, although less so on the
> > > > Continent, where the use of milliard is much more current. I guess it
> > > > dates back to Webster & Co. who were responsible for many corruptions
> in
> > > > the established meanings (and colourful spellings) of words in the
> > > > English language. Strangely, when it comes to units and suchlike, the
> US
> > > > ones, where they have changed, are always smaller than the UK ones (cf
> > > > gallon US = ~3.8 l, UK = ~4.5 l, ton US long = 2200 lbs, US short =
> 2000
> > > > lbs, UK = 2240 lbs etc.). Do you think that it was to shortchange the
> > > > Brits on exports to the old country?
> > > >
> > > > Logically, the billion is 10^12 as the word was derived from
> million^2,
> > > > hence the bi- prefix. I can see no logic in this prefix for 10^9.
> > > >
> > > > The long and the short of it is to always prefix billion with US if
> you
> > > > mean 10^9. (This should provoke some amusing messages!)
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > Werner Engelmaier wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > In a message dated 06/08/2001 18:48:21,
> [log in to unmask]
> > > > writes:
> > > > > >Orgalime, the group representing European manufacturers of domestic
> > > > > appliances
> > > > > >and electronic equipment, estimates it could cost around E40bn
> ($34bn)
> > > > to
> > > > > deal
> > > > > >with equipment already on the market plus E7.5bn in annual costs to
> the
> > > > > industry.
> > > > > It is not clear that E40bn =$34bn, because an american billion is
> not
> > > > the
> > > > > same as a European billion. The EU40 = $34 is about right, but
> unless
> > > > the
> > > > > initial European billion was changes to an american billion, the
> numbers
> > > > are
> > > > > off bey a  factor of 10.
> > > > >
> > > > > Werner Engelmaier
> > > > >
> > > > >
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