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Ken Mc Gowan <[log in to unmask]>
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Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:03:00 -0100
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Now a really big one 10^100 is a google and a google^a google = a
googleplex, no cheating here.

Best Regards,

Ken Mc Gowan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Ellis" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TN] [LF] FT Article


> Bill,
>
> OK, I guess we taxed you too heavily on tea! Anyway, Colombian coffee
> (and other products) required fewer transport costs.
>
> I know of no name to represent 10^15 or 10^21 other than thousand
> billion (trillion), but you are quite right with the 24 exponent of
> quadrillion. I don't believe I've ever seen pent-, hex- illion, either.
> Maybe it becomes zillions over 10^24 :-)
>
> I've looked up two of the best UK dictionaries (Oxford and Collins).
> They both give billion as 10^12 with 10^9 mentioned afterwards under
> "(chiefly US)". Oxford adds a usage note after milliard "The term
> milliard has been largely superseded by billion", making it delightfully
> ambiguous! Collins does not fall in this trap but defines milliard as "A
> thousand million (US billion)".
>
> George Bernard Shaw was attributed to having said "England and America
> are two countries divided by a common language.".
>
> Brian
>
> "Kasprzak, Bill (sys) USX" wrote:
> >
> > Brian:
> >
> > Just curious then, can you fill us in on the names of the other apparent
> > gaps in large number terminology?
> >
> > If million, billion, trillion, quadrillion is incorrect (or corrupted?)
> >
> > Then fill in the blanks, million, milliard, billion, _____, trillion,
_____,
> > quadrillion (10*24).
> >
> > Personally, I don't think we meant to shortchange the Brits. I think we
were
> > overcharged!
> >
> > Bill Kasprzak
> > Moog Inc., Electronic Assembly Engineering
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brian Ellis [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:29 AM
> > > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject:      Re: [LF] FT Article
> > >
> > > Actually, Werner, factor of 10^3. A real billion is, and always has
> > > been, 10^12. The milliard, which our transatlantic friends consider
> > > non-existent and corruptly call a billion, is 10^9. The confusion has
> > > become grave because many Brits have now been conned by reading US
> > > literature into thinking that it is 10^9, although less so on the
> > > Continent, where the use of milliard is much more current. I guess it
> > > dates back to Webster & Co. who were responsible for many corruptions
in
> > > the established meanings (and colourful spellings) of words in the
> > > English language. Strangely, when it comes to units and suchlike, the
US
> > > ones, where they have changed, are always smaller than the UK ones (cf
> > > gallon US = ~3.8 l, UK = ~4.5 l, ton US long = 2200 lbs, US short =
2000
> > > lbs, UK = 2240 lbs etc.). Do you think that it was to shortchange the
> > > Brits on exports to the old country?
> > >
> > > Logically, the billion is 10^12 as the word was derived from
million^2,
> > > hence the bi- prefix. I can see no logic in this prefix for 10^9.
> > >
> > > The long and the short of it is to always prefix billion with US if
you
> > > mean 10^9. (This should provoke some amusing messages!)
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > Werner Engelmaier wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > In a message dated 06/08/2001 18:48:21,
[log in to unmask]
> > > writes:
> > > > >Orgalime, the group representing European manufacturers of domestic
> > > > appliances
> > > > >and electronic equipment, estimates it could cost around E40bn
($34bn)
> > > to
> > > > deal
> > > > >with equipment already on the market plus E7.5bn in annual costs to
the
> > > > industry.
> > > > It is not clear that E40bn =$34bn, because an american billion is
not
> > > the
> > > > same as a European billion. The EU40 = $34 is about right, but
unless
> > > the
> > > > initial European billion was changes to an american billion, the
numbers
> > > are
> > > > off bey a  factor of 10.
> > > >
> > > > Werner Engelmaier
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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