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Ryan Grant <[log in to unmask]>
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Dennis,
                It appears that you have fallen for the "lazy person" trap.
If you had taken the "effort" to read the previous postings, you should have
seen that Hans was NOT the one who said designers are lazy.  In fact, he
rebuttals the notion, saying, and I quote "Should I point out that lazy
designers wouldn't reply or be on the list?  This list is not for the lazy."


        Please, if you are going to flame someone, flame the right person.

        By the way, if you had also taken the "effort" to consider what the
original poster meant, I think you will find that he was grinning as he said
it.  Meaning it more jokingly than bitterly.  Much like you might do when
kidding around with friends.

        Take care
        Ryan Grant


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beerman, Dennis [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:02 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: [TN] DOD Designs...
>
> As an IPC Certified Designer, I take offense to comments referring to the
> "Lazy Designer". Perhaps you are forgetting that the Designer is not
> responsible for contractual requirements, or perhaps the Lead Engineer has
> stipulated certain requirements to be met. Perhaps the Designer was
> responsible for the design of the board and not the documentation.
> As a designer that has worked with both fabrication and assembly shops to
> meet their needs, I take offense to your "Lazy Designer" stigma.
> Perhaps when I call two assembly houses that have two sets of
> requirements,
> and each is unwilling to change, I should call you "Lazy Assembly Houses".
> Perhaps to those board shops that have modified my supplied artwork
> without
> notification or approval, I should call you "Lazy Board Shops".
> Perhaps you should ask the Designer (and not a Purchasing rep) why he made
> such choices, and listen to the answer.
> Perhaps you are too lazy to call!!!
>
> Is that the type of response you expected Hans?
>         ----------
>         From:  Hinners Hans Civ WRALC/LYPME
> [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>         Sent:  Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:40 PM
>         To:  [log in to unmask]
>         Subject:  Re: [TN] DOD Designs...
>
>         Hey Steve,
>
>         Amen to everything already said.
>
>         I'm gonna rant...
>
>         Okay . . .
>
>         I know the documentation paper trail can be daunting with DOD
> assemblies,
>         but is correcting the design to specify current assembly standards
> too much
>         to ask? It can only enhance the assembly reliability...
>
>         Daunting is right.  I kill toner cartridges when I print
> hardcopies
> of the
>         documentation we need.   In addition to the people with
> engineering
>         responsibility over those parts, there are alot of non-technical
> people
>         involved in supplying DOD with parts.  Your initial customer is
> probably a
>         nontechie.  And as everybody knows, you can't make changes without
> customer
>         approval.  So the customer (or rather their engineering support)
> need
>         testing done to demonstrate that it meets or exceeds the design's
> intended
>         use and will survive in the "wild".  If you ordered something out
> of
> a
>         catalog you wouldn't want them to make a substitution without
> asking?
>
>         We make suggestions to improve manufacturability and/or
> reliability
> during
>         the bidding process.  Sometimes they are accepted other times not.
> If there
>         isn't money for design modification the customer might not be able
> to make
>         the changes no matter what.  You could write up a "Best Practices
> for PCB
>         Assembly" (the hints of what makes your life easier) and provide
> that to
>         customers.
>
>         The wall I hit is obsolescence.  The design drawings and BOM may
> look
>         complete until you actually try to build the little darlings.
>
>         Here's one I could use some help on.  I'm looking for a connector
> pin
>         (solder plated with a copper base) that looks like a thumb
> tack/nail.  It
>         was originally used/made by Applied Technology (A Division of Itek
>         Corporation).  I checked with Amp and they don't make one like it.
> Anybody
>         know of a custom connector manufacturer who does small batches  -
> 750?
>
>         I am expecting replies from lazy designers that don't want to
> "buck
> the
>         system"... I'm saying that to get some people to speak-up.....
>
>         Should I point out that lazy designers wouldn't reply or be on the
> list?
>         This list is not for the lazy.
>
>         Later,
>
>         Hans
>
>         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>         Hans M. Hinners
>         Materials (Process & Manufacturing) Engineer
>         Warner Robins Air Logistics Center
>         Avionics Production Division
>         Manufacturing Branch
>         380 Second Street, Suite 104
>         Building: 640, Mail Stop: LYPME
>         Robins AFB, GA 31098-1638
>         Voice: (912) 926 - 1970 Fax: (912) 926 - 7164
>         mailto:[log in to unmask]
>         http://www.robins.af.mil
>
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