Having been properly reprimanded for a posting many moons ago that was far
less an advertisement than this, kindly refrain from such blatant commerce
on this site.
I trust, and am sure that Jack will follow-up to explain why in his own
inimitable style.
My only technical observation is to cast doubt on the proportion of
attrition at the surface that can properly disperse said contaminants.
Further, until you run SIR or indeed IC tests on properly prepared samples,
I doubt the validity of your statements.
Regards,
Graham Naisbitt
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----- Original Message -----
From: Shean Dalton <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] PWB CLEANING SOLVENTS
>
>
>
>
> Hello Fellow Technetters,
>
> What an interesting forum!!! An alternative to in-line spray cleaners and
> spray under immersion wash systems is centrifugal cleaning. Spinning the
> PCB about it's center while immersed in a wash solution creates an angular
> acceleration that acts along the plane of the PCB. While the PCB
> alternates between clockwise and counter clockwise spinning motions, the
> angular acceleration converts the PCB's rotational energy into centrifugal
> cleaning energy. The centrifugal energy's magnitude AND direction are
> parallel to the plane of the PCB, ideal for cleaning underneath low
> profile, high density components. Centrifugal cleaning removes 100% of
all
> entrapped flux residues beneath components when measured ionically (0.00
> microg/in2) or visually at 30X.
>
> As was posted earlier, effective water removal can prevent downstream
> production problems; but, the evaluation of a cleaning equipment's ability
> to remove water is often over looked. Spin drying the PCB in the presence
> of heated, dry air causes 100% moisture removal and spot-free results in
> SECONDS.
>
> The effectiveness of Centrifugal cleaning reduces the number of required
> cleaning steps by eliminating repetitive cleaning cycles and additional
> drying steps. The reduction of cleaning steps provide for short cleaning
> cycle times (3-7 minutes), yielding a high through-put.
>
> Odors are eliminated by containing the cleaning process inside a sealed
> process chamber. If appropriate materials are used in the construction of
> the centrifugal cleaning system, solvent versatility is assured. And with
> an on board, closed loop waste water treatment system, No Drain is
required
> and a single drum of solvent may last a year or more.
>
> To learn more about Centrifugal Cleaning Systems contact Speedline ACCEL
at
> 972-424-3525 or visit our APEX booth #1547 and ask for information on the
> MicroCel. And, to paraphrase a previous posting, we'll be happy to help
by
> providing free cleaning evaluations with parts submitted by you.
>
> Shean Dalton
> Speedline ACCEL
>
>
>
>
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> To: [log in to unmask]
> cc: (bcc: Shean Dalton/ElectrovertUS/Cookson)
> Subject: Re: [TN] PWB CLEANING SOLVENTS
>
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IPA certainly improved 1.1.3 CFCs when added to them, but that's because
they were so useless, I
agree that IPA is not too brilliant on its own compared to alternative.
However just as pertinent I think its also worth pointing out that it's
extremely flammable
and its bulk use renders the plant liable to all sorts of quite onerous
safety rules/regulations
and so on.
Also whilst on this pragmatic note, whereas almost any semi-aqueous system
will very efficiently
remove flux, a major problem with them is not therefore flux removal but
water removal = drying.
This is often overlooked when carrying out trials, but actually constitutes
a significant
production problem which needs to be addressed with as great a priority as
material selection.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Blomberg, Rainer (FL51) <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] PWB CLEANING SOLVENTS
Brian,
I agree with you. Our bench cleaning procedure includes Axarel 2200 for
the
reasons you state. I'm looking for alternatives. Also, contrary to most
board assembly areas I've ever seen, we don't blow off/dry the dirty
solvent, we use a pretty good sized vacuum probe to immediately remove the
dirty solvent from the surface of the cleaned area. This is done
specifically to prevent the spread of contaminants as you mentioned. It
also
prevents the assembly area from smelling strongly of IPA by not turning the
liquid into an aerosol. A final, total board cleaning is performed in the
Axarel 32 batch cleaner to address the small remaining residue and items
that IPA can't.
Thanks,
Rainer
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ellis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 3:37 AM
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum.; Blomberg, Rainer (FL51)
Subject: Re: [TN] PWB CLEANING SOLVENTS
Rainer
There is hardly a worse cleaning solvent for RMA fluxes than IPA. At the
best, it will
spread the soluble rosin over a larger area, until it is thin enough to be
invisible.
This increases the surface area so that any dangerous contaminants, such as
those
ionics that are soluble in IPA are more readily accessible to cause harm.
Furthermore,
IPA is VERY poor at dissolving the metal-organic salts formed by reaction
between the
flux and the oxides and will do so ONLY if it is virtually 100% pure:
saturation occurs
at ppm levels.
It became popular because of the erroneous belief that what is used for
formulating a
liquid flux must be good for cleaning off the residues. This hypothesis
ignores the
facts a) that certain components, including the rosin, are much modified by
heating to
over 200°C and b) there are chemical reactions occurring that modify the
residues.
Beware!
Brian
"Blomberg, Rainer (FL51)" wrote:
> Hans, Faz,
>
> I am currently in the middle of a cleaning improvement investigation and
> could share some info. Hans, I have found a spray-under-immersion batch
> cleaning machine which is getting strong consideration. It is made by
> Austin America (Mega II) and is compatible with aqueous and semi-aqueous
> cleaning solvents. It has a lot of nice features that might suit your
> needs.
>
> Faz, for your information, we use RMA flux on space quality assemblies
and
> are using IPA and Axarel 2200 for hand cleaning at the bench and using
> heated Axarel 32 in our ECD spray-in-air (nitrogen) batch cleaner
followed
> by hot DI water rinsing, IPA spray off and oven drying. It's a long
process
> that we are looking to shorten. Operators don't like the solvent smell
and
> use IPA/brush/vacuum probe almost exclusively with great success. IPA is
> inexpensive, relatively safe and effective for small touch-up type work.
> Complete board cleaning does indeed have many options and the type of
flux
> is the biggest driver of which is "best". We are currently exploring
> long-chain alcohol like Kyzen Ionox I3330 to do the job of several
solvents.
> We have found it to clean both RMA and NC fluxes from wave and hand
solder
> operations equally well in immersion type equipment. I understand it is
> also available in a bench cleaning formulation. It may well turn out to
be
> our "best" choice, but you have to judge your application independently.
In
> another application (military boards), an in-line cleaner using Bioact
EC-7
> works well, but didn't clean well enough (too much white residue) for the
> space application boards. You can't predict cleaning effectiveness
> beforehand, it's something you have to tailor to your situation. I know
> that's not much help, but equipment and chemistry suppliers can help by
> providing free cleaning evaluations with parts submitted by you.
>
> Good luck.
>
> R. G. Blomberg
> Honeywell - Space Systems
> Staff Production Engineer
> (727) 539-5534 voice
> 727-539-4469 Fax
> [log in to unmask]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hinners Hans Civ WRALC/LYPME [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:03 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] PWB CLEANING SOLVENTS
>
> Hi Faz,
>
> You're in luck. I'm using Kester 186 and 186-18 RMA fluxes with their
5738
> Dross Inhibiting Fluid. We do a mix of thick (150 mil) multilayer and
not
> so think double sided boards and assemblies. We wave solder using an old
> (translation: museum quality) Hollis machine.
>
> First, we do a cascade wash with hand brushing in Trans LC (Trans 1,
> 2-Dichloroethlyne) which replaced Trichloroethylene (the environmentally
bad
> stuff not the less bad stuff). I'm looking for a substitute. It cleans
> great but has health & safety issues I'd like to eliminate. If we were a
> bigger outfit I'd prefer an immersion spray washer if one exists for PCBs
> (hint hint). Depending on the board a cascade rinse in isopropyl alcohol
> can do the trick or skipping it all together. I've tried some other
stuff
> but haven't found it yet, some are so aggressive they'll strip the
> silkscreen printing off or change the appearance of the board. I just
hate
> when that happens.
>
> Next, we run the boards through our Tooltronics Ultra Clean II Aqueous
> Cleaner with Kyzen's Aquanox XJN chemistry at 25% strength (minimum).
The
> boards get washed for 2 to 3 minutes (depends on the conveyor speed) at
~35
> psi. Lighter stuff goes in baskets with lids. A two stage DI Water
rinse
> for 3 - 4 minutes. Aquanox XJN is very good at rinsing clean and it
takes
a
> while to load up. We used to run Armakleen (before my time) but it never
> stayed active long enough to pay for itself. Plus it would scale the
pipes
> up something awful. What supply we have left is used in one of our dish
> washers.
>
> Depending on the assembly, we also dry with compressed air (Nitrogrn line
> coming soon!) and store in Nitrogen cabinets.
>
> We're a small shop so I'm not sure how portable this info will be.
>
> Hans
>
> ~~~~~~~~
> Hans M. Hinners
> Materials (& Process!) Engineer
> Warner Robins - Air Logistics Center/Avionics Production Division
> Manufacturing Branch (LYPME)
> 380 Second Street, Suite 104 (Building 640)
> Robins AFB, GA 31098-1638
> 912-926-1970 (Voice) 468 - 1970 (DSN) 912-926-7164 (Fax)
> mailto:[log in to unmask]
> .
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Fazioli [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 02:11
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [TN] PWB CLEANING SOLVENTS
> >
> > Greetings, TechNetters!
> >
> > I have a question for the "guru's" of PWB cleaning, and obviously it
> > relates to
> > the new legislation (Montreal Protocol) which now bans the use of Ozone
> > depleting substances containing CFC based materials. So, with that in
> > mind...."What are the best "cleaning solutions" (chemicals) to use
which
> > are
> > most effective for removing the flux residuals from PWB's that also has
> > compatibility with a wide variety of different chemicals and materials
> > such as
> > adhesives, connectors, sleeving, wire, inks, epoxies and etc.?" In
> > essence,
> > we all know that establishing a suitable substitute is no small task,
and
> > involves many trade-offs as well. However, I would appreciate anyone
> > sharing
> > their experience with regard to this endeavor.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
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