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Robert,

There are thermoplastics available that will go through a reflow oven. If
you think about it there are lots of surface mount connectors that have
injection moulded bodies. You just have to select the right polymer.

If you want to change boxes then there are plenty of materials that boxes
are made of  that will survive my recommended 85 deg C. Polycarbonate being
an obvious example. Best thing to do is to have a look through a catalogue.

Of course if your problem is with the test rather than the end use perhaps
you're considering changing the wrong thing....

Good luck,

Eric Christison Msc
Mechanical Engineer
Consumer & Micro Group - Imaging Division
STMicroelectronics
33 Pinkhill
Edinburgh
EH12 7BF
UK

Tel:     +44 (0) 131 336 6165
Fax:    +44 (0) 131 336 6001


-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of robert tarzwell
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:32 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] ABS Plastic Melting Temperature


thanks, for the info , through web searches I have found the plastic guys
are making great strides in high temp versions, found a poly company that is
getting 130 c for food prep containers,  thats almost to FR4 temps. I am
working on the clear plastic boards and will try making some soon. robert
Tarzwell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dehoyos, Ramon" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TN] ABS Plastic Melting Temperature


>         Hi Robert:
>                    Do a search to find out the temp in the direct sun 
> in
Phoenix Arizona. That will give you  the temp in a car trunk  In a trunk the
highest temp would be under 60 deg C. The thermal chamber test is not
indicative of reality. That is why in 20 years you have not had any
problems. . The SQA group wants to cover their behinds in case something
happens to a board while is being transported. I would also contact the ABS
plastic box manufacturer.  They probably have made tests that could provide
the right info.
>         Regards,
>         Ramon
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Croslin, Robert [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:08 PM
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      [TN] ABS Plastic Melting Temperature
> >
> > This is probably a little out of the normal range of questions taken 
> > by
the
> > Technetters, but here goes.  We've been using various boxes made of 
> > ABS plastic with fire retardant to enclose our various electronic 
> > gadgets.
In
> > twenty years, we've never had a problem with any of them cycling 
> > back
from
> > the field with any kind of thermal related distortion or warp to the
cases
> > even though they may sit in a rep's trunk in areas like Phoenix, 
> > Arizona under elevated temperatures.  Recently, our SQA group bought 
> > a new
thermal
> > chamber so they can do some environmental testing.  They cooked the
units at
> > 80*C and the plastic melted.  Not surprising, since the softening 
> > point
is
> > around 72*C.  Now, they're asking the engineer to provide some kind 
> > of a test specification for them to test to.
> >
> > We've gone out and bought several specs used by the auto industry, 
> > but
they
> > just list various ranges and guide you to developing your own spec.
Does
> > anyone know of any spec anywhere that would cover plastics used in, 
> > or
left
> > in the trunk or interior of an automobile?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Bob
> >
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