I must apologize to all. My comments are my own views and were not intended
to be sent to the entire audience. I was merely sending Mr. Stadem a
sentiment of support and it turned out to be more of a monologue. He is not
responsible either for responding in the fashion he did. I did not state
that I was responding only to him. Please know that I try to remain absent
in political discussions on this forum. I do respect my colleagues and
friends on this venue even though there may be times I may disagree. I
learn something everyday from the posts and am thankful for the brilliance
that is shared regardless of whether or not I agree. I certainly didn't get
this kind of education in a college setting. Please accept my humblest
apologies for the political nature of the post.
Best Regards,
Joe Russeau
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gregory" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)
> Hi Richard,
>
> Thank-you for posting that.
>
> And Joe, one of more lucid rants I've seen on the issue. Thank-you...
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Stadem, Richard D. <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> While I do agree with Tim on a lot of the points he made and I certainly
>> respect his knowledge, I just wanted people like Joyce and Tim to
>> understand that their lives are completely different than 90% of the
>> people
>> in the world. There are many exceptions that have to be accommodated by
>> certain people, and most of the world is far from the idyllic picture
>> that
>> was painted.
>>
>> I bet neither one of them ever had to use 10 weight oil in their truck's
>> cooling system because anti-freeze just cannot do the job at -50 degrees
>> F.
>> on the high plains for months on end. Wind power cannot not dry winter
>> wheat in January or February, nor will it thaw the ground.
>>
>> A "credo" is useless if it is out of touch with reality.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:
>> [log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:06 PM
>> To: Stadem, Richard D.
>> Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)
>>
>> AMEN to that! I have farmed all my life and that natural gas is
>> essential
>> for proper drying of corn and soybeans going into storage as well. In a
>> year like this one where the world seems to have taken a sabbatical on
>> warming and decided to be cool (at least in my neck of the woods), the
>> crops aren't likely to be as dry coming out the field. Too many cool
>> days.
>> We've had a lot of seventy-five degree days this Summer. Usually, we
>> have
>> a lot of ninety degree days in the Summer here. So I expect to see a lot
>> of grain drying (natural gas) this year if this cool trend continues.
>>
>> As you say Mr. Stadem, Cyprus is very different compared to the USA.
>> Personally, the jury is still out for me on the whole issue of global
>> warming. First, it was called "global warming", but now "climate
>> change".
>> Climate change seems harder to argue against given that climates do
>> indeed
>> change. Heck in Indiana, climates change daily. I don't know that the
>> science is settled as many like to think. As a scientist, I am skeptical
>> when such a claim is made that the science is settled. I am not so sure
>> we
>> (man) have enough data collected to really understand how the earth
>> changes.
>> Perhaps these are normal trends and the earth is going through an
>> adjustment period. To say that such science is settled and to propose
>> such
>> extensive changes given the lack of comparable energy replacements is
>> irresponsible in my view. Green Energy also has its costs. I have been
>> in
>> a wind farm battle for the last year and a half. EON Climate and
>> Renewables, a wind developer, wanted to place 500 ft wind towers within
>> 1500 ft of area homes.
>> Our county has 220 residents per square mile. We would have effectively
>> become the densest area they ever populated such devices in. These units
>> were anything but "green". They were highly inefficient AND were being
>> populated in an area that, according to the US Dept of Energy, was poor
>> to
>> marginal for wind potential. So why in my area? That's easy, government
>> subsidies and a feel could statement for our local and state elected
>> leaders that we were a "green" energy producer. This was a sham and I am
>> disgusted at the lack of common sense. It is as if common sense has been
>> thrown out with the bath water. We won our fight as of last week. It
>> boiled down to money. Once we figured out the money and given it was an
>> election year for a couple key officials, it wasn't too hard to put this
>> issue to bed. Europe as I understand is moving away from wind. For good
>> reason, it just can't supply the demand and storage of such energy is not
>> adequate for long term.
>>
>> While a Utopic view feels good. I wonder if the consequences of
>> implementing what Brian suggests would lead to more catastrophic impacts
>> on
>> human life. Those already suffering from a poor standard living would
>> never have the hope of stepping out from those conditions. Those that
>> enjoy higher living standards would have to reduce their standard of
>> living
>> to
>> accommodate the cuts that are proposed. Both would have there costs.
>> Mr.
>> Larson makes a strong case as well. Too ignore, political and economic
>> impacts is irresponsible. For all of these changes to be implemented
>> properly it would take a legislative body, whose purpose is to govern
>> with
>> humility and with respect for human life and the earth's resources. I
>> look
>> at all of the issues in my county, state, country and world and I figure,
>> pretty confidently, that there are very few men or women that have the
>> integrity to govern to the level likely needed for Brian's Utopic vision.
>>
>> We can certainly be better stewards of our resources and we should be.
>> But, let's be sure the data is right and has been properly collected and
>> evaluated before we start imposing major changes on societies around the
>> world. Also, " How any pressures will be applied to individuals,
>> corporations or nations are not my concern but I hope my document will
>> help
>> decision-makers come to the right conclusions." is troubling. So if I
>> understand this statement, by whatever means is necessary is not of
>> concern.
>> Very troubling in my opinion.
>>
>> Sorry for the monologue I read the post from Brain and saw yours and the
>> farm reference caught my attention. Thank you for being a voice of
>> reason.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Joe Russeau
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stadem, Richard D." <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)
>>
>>
>> > Yes, and continue to live your life under a bell jar on the Island of
>> Nod.
>> > Tim, your "credo" is very nice, but why don't you spend a winter
>> > working
>> a
>> > wheat farm on the plains of North Dakota or Manitoba and then tell us
>> > how
>> > you feel about natural gas after that. It is sort of different from
>> > Cyprus.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Larson, Mark
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:37 AM
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)
>> >
>> > "I have deliberately avoided the political and economic aspects of the
>> > environment and energy.."
>> >
>> > yes, if you are going to attempt to create a Utopian world, it is best
>> > to
>> > ignore as much of reality as possible
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wayne Thayer
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:51 AM
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)
>> >
>> > Well stated. I'd include a heavy tax on cooling as well. Air
>> > conditioning
>> > has caused fundamental changes to our cultures, and most of them are
>> > not
>> > good. And as the temperature continues to rise, this segment of energy
>> > usage will rise disproportionately.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 4:07 AM
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)
>> >
>> > I have seriously updated my credo - http://credo.bnellis.eu/ - on
>> > environmental and energy matters, with links. As I mention in the
>> > introduction, this is Utopian but more than just a pious hope of what
>> some
>> > may perceive as extremism; it is how I see our medium-term future, at
>> > least along general lines, no matter where we live.
>> >
>> > I have deliberately avoided the political and economic aspects of the
>> > environment and energy. This is because necessity will become the
>> > mother
>> > of the political and economic means to implement these measures,
>> > little-by-little, country-by-country. How any pressures will be applied
>> to
>> > individuals, corporations or nations are not my concern but I hope my
>> > document will help decision-makers come to the right conclusions.
>> >
>> > This credo is published for the first time as a stand-alone document
>> > with
>> > its own one-page website. It is free-to-copy in its entirety but not
>> > for
>> > commercial purposes; it is not sponsored nor does it carry
>> advertisements.
>> > It is not written in stone and I may modify, add or delete clauses at
>> > any
>> > time without notice; suggestions are always welcome.
>> >
>> > Please feel free to copy or link it.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Brian Ellis
>> >
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