Excellent idea Dean!  I'll do it right away.  It helps a lot to get a  
recommendation like this.  The commercial monitors have never been all  
that good; I was not aware of this company.  Many years ago I looked  
at a HP medical monitor but it was only 6" square (for ultrasound).

Bob

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On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:07 PM, "Dean Stadem" <[log in to unmask]>  
wrote:

> Bob,
> I strongly urge you to contact Richardson Electronics in Plymouth, MN.
> They manufacture custom monitors and CRTs of all types. GD uses them,
> and they make very high quality medical, commercial, and military  
> grade
> monitors. We have never had one of their products fail. Incredible
> reliability. They really know what they are doing.
> Talk to Ann Bloch or Dave Sorensen.
> http://www.rell.com/Pages/Product-Category.aspx?productCategory=8
>
>
>
> R. Dean Stadem
> Consulting Engineer
> Analog Technologies Corp./Lumagine, Inc.
> 11441 Rupp Drive
> Burnsville, MN 55431
> (952)894-9228
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bob Landman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:41 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [LF] More importantly.... 8 new substances proposed for
> REACH control
>
> Robin,
>
> Thanks SO much for this information as we have several monitors that
> need repair.  In years to come we will have more as over time the
> brightness decreases and the CRT needs to be replaced.  We modify the
> monitors for our needs and they are fitted into a custom cabinet.
>
> We began using RCA back in 1985.  They sold to Burle who then quit the
> business at the time CEMark was required.  So we looked for a new
> supplier and, no surprise, the only vendor was Philips in Holland.   
> When
> we asked for the construction file ( a CE requirement for us, I was
> given to understand, they refused, as did every vendor who CEMarked).
> Another confusing EU reg.
>
> Then Philips quit production, selling the business to Siemens.  With
> each each new vendor, the case dimensions changed so the custom
> enclosure had to be redesigned.
>
> I just Googled for B/W 9" analog monitors again and saw that Pelco is
> trying to fill backorders.  My buyer is now trying to get some of  
> them.
>
> I see that there is now a company in China making a 10.4" LCD analog
> monitor so I'm going to see if we can use it.  Close enough to 9" (we
> hope).
>
> Why go to all this trouble?  We've been making our product since 1985
> and our customers expect us to keep them working.  We have had a 20  
> year
> life with our products with just an occasional repair for wear and  
> tear.
> Until all fhese new regulations came out, we could do that with ease.
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only industrial instrument supplier who's  
> having to
> deal with these issues.
>
> Joe Fjelstad has pointed out in his article, reliability does matter
> http://www.circuitnet.com/articles/article_67238.shtml
>
> He's got it exactly right and it's damned frustrating for companies  
> like
> mine to no longer be assured we can provide long lasting products  
> for as
> Joe said:
>
> "The reliability of those products was for many years, unquestioned  
> and
> was the cornerstone of the industry's success. However, over the last
> decade or so, the electronics industry has been slowly sliding off its
> once sturdy foundation as evidence builds that newer generations of
> products are proving less reliable than the ones that preceded them."
>
> "For those readers not old enough to remember it, there once was a  
> time
> when electronic products were designed and expected to last for as  
> long
> as 20 to 25 years and hopefully more. It is more than a little bit
> evident that consumer choice and expectations have undergone some
> significant changes in recent times."
>
> "Where in the past, a product was designed for function and  
> reliability,
> emphasis has shifted more towards trendiness and fashion relative to
> electronic products with myriad features that often go unused.
> Unfortunately, those are treated in the same cavalier manner as  
> clothing
> fashions, good for this season but not the next."
>
> "The electronics industry has even adopted terminology which reflects
> this with terms like "application specific reliability" now part of  
> the
> electronics industry lexicon."
>
> "The roots of this disturbing trend actually run deep back in time,  
> more
> than 75 years to the Great Depression. The concept of planned
> obsolescence was the forerunner of what we see in operation today."
>
> Amen Joe, amen.
>
> Bob Landman
> H&L Instruments, LLC
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Robin Ingenthron
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:02 PM
> To: Bob Landman
> Cc: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [LF] More importantly.... 8 new substances proposed for
> REACH control
>
>
> Bob, on CRTs there is good news and bad news.
>
> The good news:  The 9" CRTs are still being refurbished by companies
> like VideoDisplay Corp of Tucker GA USA, and several other factories  
> in
> Indonesia, Malaysia, and China
> <http://retroworks.blogspot.com/2010/03/indonesia-crt-recycling-factory 
> .
> html> .  When a rare size like 9" is discontinued but still in demand,
> it makes it less expensive to collect it for recycling.
>
> The bad news:  Environmentalists are protesting the CRT refurbishing
> factories,
> <http://retroworks.blogspot.com/2010/03/basel-action-networks-legacy-pov
> erty.html>  major mis-understood story in Boston Globe last week, an
> enviro group BAN.org reported CRTs shipped to one of these factories  
> as
> "hazardous waste" and 9 containerloads were returned to the USA.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Bob Landman
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>        Chris,
>
>        I agree with you.  That was the way I read the RoHS law so I
> didn't rush and buy a large inventory of them.
>        Nevertheless, one fine day my buyer was told that production of
> analog CRTs had ceased and there was no stock anywhere.
>        And no replacement (we use a 9" monitor).  It was around the
> time of the new EU laws - a coincidence?
>
>        I have since learned that back in October 2001, the United
> States Environmental Protection Agency
>        created rules stating that CRTs must be brought to special
> recycling facilities. In November 2002,
>        the EPA began fining companies that disposed of CRTs through
> landfills or incineration. Regulatory agencies,
>        local and statewide, monitor the disposal of CRTs and other
> computer equipment.
>
>        In Europe, disposal of CRT televisions and monitors is covered
> by the WEEE Directive.
>
>        This is the explanation from one supplier:
>
>        "In response to changing market conditions, Pelco will soon
> deplete inventory for one our CRT monitors. Unfortunately, the unit  
> can
> no longer be obtained from our CRT Vendor. The continuing trend to LCD
> monitors combined with the overall decline of CRT technology
> necessitates this move. We will do everything we can to fill all  
> orders,
> however, with CRT product availability becoming more sporadic, your
> understanding is appreciated."
>
>        That's all I know.
>
>        Bob
>
>
>        -----Original Message-----
>        From: James, Chris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>        Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 6:02 PM
>        To: (Leadfree Electronics Assembly Forum); Bob Landman
>        Cc: [log in to unmask]
>        Subject: Re: [LF] More importantly.... 8 new substances  
> proposed
> for REACH control
>
>        Bob - lead in crt's is exempt so not the reason for your tube
> being discontinued.
>
>        Regards,
>        Chris
>        +44 7779 854829
>        (Sent from iPod-Touch)
>
>        On 14 Mar 2010, at 21:47, "Bob Landman"
> <[log in to unmask]>
>        wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Chris, for your thoughful comments and your efforts on
> your
>> side of the Atlantic to make the regs more rational and
> prudent.
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't trade groups thus far
> (IPC,
>> IEEE,SEMI, iNEMI, etc...) not been very successful in turning
> back a
>> tsunami of new harsher regulations?
>>
>> What started out as a desire to harmonize VDE, DIN, etc...
> became new
>> tougher standards that applied much more broadly.  Whereas
> before they
>> were RFI/EMI, electrical safety standards, they became
> draconian
>> environmental standards.
>>
>> I think that happened, in no small part, because the trade
> groups
>> evolvec to be international in nature.  Isnt it true that they
> did not
>> present a strong opposition to many EU regulations?
>>
>> Wasn't IPC unwilling to oppose the lead ban?  What trade group
> today
>> is willing to stand up to the EU and say "enough!" ??
>>
>> Small businesses like mine are not represented well by
> international
>> trade groups.
>>
>> As an example, take the IEEE.  In standards making, there is
> no limit
>> to how many members of a company can vote.  SEMI is the only
>> organization I know of that has a one person rule. I was
> formerly the
>> siicon wafer committee chairperson and was pleasantly
> surprised at the
>> concern for small business.  I think it is because Silicon
> Valley is
>> the birthplace of so much entrepreneurship.  Even today, small
>> businesses like mine play a substantial role in the
> semiconductor
>> manufacturing equipment industry.
>>
>> Let me give you one example of what EU regs have done to my
> business
>> (I'm sure others have similar stories to tell but not many
> will say).
>> Since 1985 we used a monochrome high resolution 9" CCTV
> monitor for
>> one of our products. Without ANY warning so we could stock up
> and plan
>> for a replacement, production by all manufacturers ceased. The
>> manufacturers offered NO suitable replacement.  Why did this
> happen?
>> RoHS.  The lead in the faceplate of the CRT was banned
>> by the EU.  It didn't matter that there was no replacement.
>> Companies like Philips and Siemens simply ceased to make them
> and they
>> offered no LCD replacement.  What are we to do to service
> those
>> instruments customers have?  What about new sales?
>>
>> Does anyone care?  Apparently not.
>>
>> We have some inventory on hand but when that is gone, what
> then?
>> Millions of these CRTs are used in all manner of priducts,
> from
>> security monitors at airports to ultrasound medical systems.
>>
>> No repairs are possible.  Junk the products when the displays
> wear
>> out?
>>
>> This is good for the environment?
>>
>> All that needed to be done was to enforce environmentally
> prudent
>> recycling.  The same holds true for the lead ban in solder and
> tin
>> plating.
>>
>> The lead ban will cost Toyota more than $16B if, as I and
> others
>> expect, it turns out that tin whiskers are causing sudden
>> acceleration.  All APP (accelerator pedal assemblies) and ECM
>> (electronic control modules) would have to be recalled from
> every
>> vehicle produced since 2002-2003.
>>
>> Never in the 50+ years I have been in the electronics
> industry, having
>> worked at DuPont, Tektronix, LKB Instruments, Kevex and HP
> prior to
>> starting my company in 1979, has a regulation had such a
> deletorious
>> result.
>>
>> It's time we engineers stood up and said we have had far too
> many
>> politically inspired junk science regulations.
>>
>> No more are needed; many need to be scaled back.
>>
>> If there's a trade group who agrees with  me, and makes it
> their goal,
>> I'll be pleased to be a dues paying member!
>>
>> Bob Landman
>> Life Senior Member, IEEE
>> President, CTO
>> H&L Instruments, LLC
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 2:33 AM, "Chris Robertson"
>> <[log in to unmask]
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Bob
>>>
>>> Leaving aside all other matters and to put the record
> straight from
>>> my experience.
>>>
>>> - ERA carried out the RoHS category 8/9 study for the
> European
>>> Commission in 2006 (see
> http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/pdf/
>>> era_study_final_report.pdf).
>>> Annex 1 lists the contributors to the review - organisations
> we spoke
>>> to.  Many are outside the EU or multinationals, particularly
> from the
>>> US.
>>>
>>> - We are currently involved in 3 ecodesign preparatory
> studies (see
>>> www.eco-furnace.org and www.ecocooking.org).  We have been
> instructed
>>> (not just encouraged) by the Commission to consult as widely
> as
>>> possible worldwide.  Reference to previous studies and
> ensuing
>>> regulation shows that much of this is built on non EU best
> practice -
>>> standards, Energy Star etc.  Much of this comes from the US.
>>>
>>> I'm not suggesting there are not problems (I would sympathise
> with
>>> many of your points) but just for this issue my own
> experience is
>>> that nowadays substantive evidence presented in a timely
> fashion
>>> (e.g.
>>> through stakeholder consultations) can shape policy. So it is
>>> important to engage.  Trade associations have a key role
> here.
>>>
>>> I hope this is of some encouragement.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> Tel: +44 (0)1372 36 7204
>>> <><
>>> www.era.co.uk/rfa
>>> Environmental product compliance conference 17/18 Nov >>
>>> www.era.co.uk/conference2010/.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bob
> Landman
>>> Sent: 11 March 2010 17:53
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [LF] More importantly.... 8 new substances
> proposed for
>>> REACH control
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the note.  Alas, it doesn't seem that they do
> consult
>>> outside the EU.  I could find nothing that indicates they
> seek input
>>> from the USA or that when they do solicit comments, they pay
> any
>>> attention to them if they are not from EU member states.
>>>
>>> It also seems that the EU regs are focussed on high volume
> commercial
>>> products without the slightest bit of concern for what they
> are doing
>>> to aerospace, military, industrial, medical, broadcasting,
> etc...
>>> Where is
>>> the concern for high rel desired long lifetime products that
> need to
>>> be constructed with chemicals and elements (e.g. lead) ?
>>>
>>> Worse, they don't seem to at all understand what they are
> doing to
>>> small businesses.  I recall that once upon a time Dolby was
> one of
>>> those small businesses. Would there be a Dolby today, were it
> to be
>>> started in 2010?
>>> I doubt it.  The EU seems to churn out regulation assuming we
> are all
>>> like Siemens and thus can bear the burden of all the bloody
>>> paperwork.
>>> That's utter nonsense.
>>>
>>> It is a fact that small businesses (most are in the USA as
> that is
>>> where entrepreneurship is king) are where new products come
> from.
>>>
>>> Not all small businesses are started by venture capital
> (those that
>>> are are commercially oriented and can afford the paperwork
>>> employees).
>>>
>>> Hence, innovation that our 21st century needs is being
> stifled by the
>>> increased amount of draconian labor intensive mind boggling
>>> regulations heaped upon us by the legions of EU bureaucrats.
> What's
>>> worse, they are then emulated by countries like China who use
> it as a
>>> trade barrier!
>>>
>>> Bob Landman
>>> H&L Instruments, LLC
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James,
> Chris
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:52 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [LF] More importantly.... 8 new substances
> proposed for
>>> REACH control
>>>
>>> One for you here Bob............... :)
>>>
>>>
> http://www.wired-gov.net/wg/wg-wlabel-dti.nsf/wfArticle?ReadForm&unid
>>> =E2
>>> 41B7919C8E0D29802576E30051AED2
>>>
>>> whether they consult outside the EU is another
> matter...........
>>>
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