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Could not resist making another comment on the subject:

What about the unknown defective transistor that you assemble to your PWB which 
blows out an entire circuit, damaging the board beyond repair.  Are you going
to send a bill to the transistor distributor for the cost of the replacement
assembly?

I buy a truck from Ford (random selection) and a defect takes it out of service
for 3 days for a warranteed part replacement.  Do you think Ford is going to 
reimburse me for my lost business or the rental of a replacement truck?  Get
real!  The best I might get is for the dealer to offer me the use of another
truck on the lot, if one is available.

Why are fabricators expected to offer something that is not generally done
for most other products?

Jeff
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     Exactly!! In this day and age, with capacity in Asia increasing by 
     100% over the next few months, it may very well be time for the 
     industry as a whole to reexamine this entire issue. It is not the job 
     of an OEM to inspect PCBs. Rather, we would expect a marketable 
     product (i.e.: one that works!)


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Subject: Re: seek for powerful strike on customers who don't reason!
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Date:    10/10/96 8:00 AM


     It always amazes me how PCB Fabricators expect OEM's to be 
     responsible for testing a board to prove the Fabricator has 
     done his job. Why doesn't the Fabricator test the board to 
     insure he has done his job properly? Why is this cost always 
     passed down to the OEM? 
     
     
     
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Subject: seek for powerful strike on customers who don't reason!
Author:  [log in to unmask] at Internet 
Date:    10/19/96 4:13 PM
     
     
     
Hi!  This is JH.
     
 I read the article "Ownership of Liability for Board Defects before and
After Assmbly" on October issue of CircuitTree.  My customer is asking me to 
pay for  the components ,assembly labor, etc. loaded on the defected boards.
 The board is $9.00 that I charged him.  In return he wants me to pay $30.00
per board!  He is holding the payment for other invoices (totalled more than 
$10k), which has nothing to with this order.  The electrical test was not 
requested.  The customer took his own risk to load the components without 
having inspection.  I am willing to replace the bad boards but not willing to 
pay for the cost that I have no way to control.  
     
My intention here is to seek for a knowledgeable attorney who has experence 
in this area to punish this kind of customer(s) who don't care what you think 
or what you say!   In the article, it mentioned "tested many times in court."
  Do you have any case numbers and documents available?  Those can be very
helpful if  they are presented to the judge or attorneys who also needs to be 
"educated" .  
     
     
     
     
     
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