Bev.
First may I say that your message reached me twice. Looks like we still have
the same problem.
Secondly, It was about 2 years ago that I used one of these magnetic
devices. We used it in the supply to a 'town' water rinse in our semi
aqueous water plant. It was bought from a large electronic supplies company
(one with lots of different coloured catalogues and the blurb (information
supplied with the device) claimed what I said in my e-mail.
If I have been duped then so have a hell lot more people. As I mentioned
previously it didn't work very well, but we were sure that it made an
improvement (but maybe we wanted it to that much).
Anyone else seen this device in the coloured catalogues (friends in the UK
will definitely know who I am talking about).
And I think this is relevant to electronics as we seem to be using water
more and more in the electronic manufacturing process (water wash, water
based fluxes, water based solder????? (reference to the impending European
legislation))
===== Original Message from [log in to unmask] (TechNet E-Mail Forum.) at
16/06/99 13:37
>Dear Mark,
>First, Jack, please forgive me for contributing to this non-electronic
>manufacturing string, but this is interesting and I don't want to resist!
>
>OK, Mark, you have got to be kidding. £30 sterling you say? Maintenance
>free? Lasts forever? Well sure those are facts. I've never had to polish
>my magnets. Not as good as a regular water softener? I think that is an
>gross understatement. Or should I be saying overstatement? :) I think I
>can buy the fact that for a few fractions of a second some of the iron ions
>might partially align as they go whizzing by the magnet (at 30 - 60 psi that
>water is MOVING!!), but they don't stay that way. No more than iron
>fillings on paper are still magnetized once you remove the magnet from below
>the paper. And even if the soluble ions did somehow become "magnetized",
>how in the world would a magnetic orientation have any significant influence
>on a highly polarizing, +2 or +3 charged metal ion which wants to chemically
>precipitate non-magnetic sterates and other long chain carboxylic acids from
>your soaps? Look, even 2 and 4 Tesla magnetic field pulses in a nuclear
>magnetic resonance spectrometers can only hold the nuclear orientation of
>atoms for less than ten seconds, usually. So how would a dinky little
>magnet around a pipe make any difference to water sitting in a washing
>machine for over 30 minutes?. This is voodoo science. No, I take that
>back. I shouldn't have even graced these charlatans by coming anywhere near
>them with a real word like "science". Do I seem a little tense, a little on
>edge, well...maybe a bit. I have been fighting these guys for some time
>now. I am tired of little old ladies giving up their hard earned and saved
>money for things that don't work.
>
>regards,
>Bev Christian
>Nortel Networks
>
>As usual these comments are my own and do not reflect the position of the
>company I work for, etc,., etc. And of course this statement does not imply
>that said company is in favour of "magnetizing" water. :)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Austin [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 7:52 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [TN] Removing calcium from water
>>
>> Yes, I've used one.
>>
>> The cost is about £30 sterling.
>>
>> They are maintenance free.
>>
>> They are claimed to last forever, as long as the magnetic field is
>> present.
>>
>> They are not as good as a traditional water softener. I have found that
>> they
>> don't totally soften the water (they don't remove any chemicals). They
>> work
>> (I seem to remember) by aligning all the ions in the water the same way
>> which some how stops the hard water chemicals from sticking to anything.
>>
>> If you need to remove the hard water chemicals use a traditional water
>> softener (Resin type)
>>
>>
>> ===== Original Message from [log in to unmask] (TechNet E-Mail Forum.) at
>> 15/06/99 20:10
>> >Has anybody heard of, or used a device that is basically a magnetic type
>> >filter (so I'm told) that is used in line to soften water.
>> >
>> >If so I would appreciate any info:
>> > - approx cost compared to typical water softner
>> > - maintenance
>> > - life expectancy
>> > - efficiency
>> >
>> >Ted
>> >
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