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"Robert D. Green" <[log in to unmask]>
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   I agree with Jim: You'll probably be better of training someone.

   But I have to ask the question: Where's your Human Resource Department?
   (unless they're the ones with the un-realistic pay scheme - *grin*)  They
   should be helping you here! (tho sometimes it's more hassle than not!)
   You'll never find a web site with job wages 'cause it varies wildly by the
   part of the country (and the country itself) that you're in.
   However: having said that... your HR manager should have access to a break
   down of national wage averages for most high tech positions.  (this is the
   kind of thing they keep in the back room and consult while doing evil HR
   black magic and layoffs)

   Two things you can do:

   First, you've gotta convince the management that a wave solder operator is
   a job requiring skills and training and that it's not just another "stuff
   the parts into the board" job.

   Second: Take the average pay of those "stuff the parts into the board"
   jobs, find the average pay of the lowest level engineer in the company, add
   them and divide by two.  The result is close to what you want to pay a
   decent operator.

   Rob Green

   ps.  High tech in Oklahoma?  Hmmmm... what's this country coming to?



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Subject: Re: [TN] Wave Solder Operator Wages...
Author:  Jim Kittel <[log in to unmask]> at smtplink-hadco
Date:    8/31/99 6:17 AM


Steve,

My experience is you are just as well off by taking someone who is
interested in machines and chemistry and training them yourself.  That way
you are not as likely to get someone experimenting with the specific gravity
or adding oil to the pot because 'that is what we did where I used to work'.
Also, being a 'trainee' you can beat the wage game, and then move them up as
they progress.

Anyway, I enjoy reading your correspondence regardless of what you are
discussing.  I think you should have a newspaper column instead of a web
site.

Jim Kittel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen R. Gregory [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 8:23 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      [TN] Wave Solder Operator Wages...
>
> Hi Ya'll,
>
Well, with my new job as was supposed to be a SMT Process Engineer, I got
tasked with taking over our wave solder operations (and being the
supervisor to boot! Hey, whatcha' gonna do? With relocating and
everything?) Nuff' said...

 Anyhoo, I've been wave soldering everything myself the past couple of >
weeks  and need to hire a competent operator so I can go on to bigger and
better things. Problem is, I'm not really familiar with the wage scales for
wave solder operators in Oklahoma.

Myself, I think a good operator that can think on his feet is worth their
weight in gold, just as I think a good manual soldering operator is.
However, my opinion I've learned, is not shared by those that control the "purse
strings" (if you will...nuff' said about that too, if you catch my drift...)

What I'm asking, is there a web page someplace that will give me some
ammunition to justify a certain hourly pay-scale for someone that I'm  looking
for? Something that I can go to management with and let them know that they can
expect to hire someone for a certain figure and expect a competent person. Just
to let you know, they think they I can hire someone for between $6.50-7.50 an
hour out here...I don't think so myself...that's if I can find someone that
knows anything about wave soldering...hehehe
I'm going to interview them to be sure, and I think I'll be able to
distinguish whether or not the person has the where-with-all to be a good>
operator...I'll share everything I know about the process with this
person.

I've always been an engineer, and not usually involved in the hiring of
operators... especially here in Oklahoma. I know pretty much what
production positions get in "Silicon Valley" but not here in
Oklahoma.

Boy, this sucks...I just need a web page, something...anything >

-Steve Gregory-

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