Mark,
Yes, I see the topic is relevant. I missed the first thread I guess. I
thought the question was dealing with home use only. Also, I think you can
see from the additional answer from Phil Hinton that this (magnet stuff) is
something we should be avoiding as an industry.
regards,
Bev Christian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Austin [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 9:55 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Removing calcium from water
>
> Bev.
>
> First may I say that your message reached me twice. Looks like we still
> have
> the same problem.
>
> Secondly, It was about 2 years ago that I used one of these magnetic
> devices. We used it in the supply to a 'town' water rinse in our semi
> aqueous water plant. It was bought from a large electronic supplies
> company
> (one with lots of different coloured catalogues and the blurb (information
> supplied with the device) claimed what I said in my e-mail.
>
> If I have been duped then so have a hell lot more people. As I mentioned
> previously it didn't work very well, but we were sure that it made an
> improvement (but maybe we wanted it to that much).
>
> Anyone else seen this device in the coloured catalogues (friends in the UK
> will definitely know who I am talking about).
>
> And I think this is relevant to electronics as we seem to be using water
> more and more in the electronic manufacturing process (water wash, water
> based fluxes, water based solder????? (reference to the impending European
> legislation))
>
> ===== Original Message from [log in to unmask] (TechNet E-Mail Forum.) at
> 16/06/99 13:37
> >Dear Mark,
> >First, Jack, please forgive me for contributing to this non-electronic
> >manufacturing string, but this is interesting and I don't want to resist!
> >
> >OK, Mark, you have got to be kidding. £30 sterling you say? Maintenance
> >free? Lasts forever? Well sure those are facts. I've never had to
> polish
> >my magnets. Not as good as a regular water softener? I think that is an
> >gross understatement. Or should I be saying overstatement? :) I think
> I
> >can buy the fact that for a few fractions of a second some of the iron
> ions
> >might partially align as they go whizzing by the magnet (at 30 - 60 psi
> that
> >water is MOVING!!), but they don't stay that way. No more than iron
> >fillings on paper are still magnetized once you remove the magnet from
> below
> >the paper. And even if the soluble ions did somehow become
> "magnetized",
> >how in the world would a magnetic orientation have any significant
> influence
> >on a highly polarizing, +2 or +3 charged metal ion which wants to
> chemically
> >precipitate non-magnetic sterates and other long chain carboxylic acids
> from
> >your soaps? Look, even 2 and 4 Tesla magnetic field pulses in a nuclear
> >magnetic resonance spectrometers can only hold the nuclear orientation of
> >atoms for less than ten seconds, usually. So how would a dinky little
> >magnet around a pipe make any difference to water sitting in a washing
> >machine for over 30 minutes?. This is voodoo science. No, I take that
> >back. I shouldn't have even graced these charlatans by coming anywhere
> near
> >them with a real word like "science". Do I seem a little tense, a little
> on
> >edge, well...maybe a bit. I have been fighting these guys for some time
> >now. I am tired of little old ladies giving up their hard earned and
> saved
> >money for things that don't work.
> >
> >regards,
> >Bev Christian
> >Nortel Networks
> >
> >As usual these comments are my own and do not reflect the position of the
> >company I work for, etc,., etc. And of course this statement does not
> imply
> >that said company is in favour of "magnetizing" water. :)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mark Austin [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 7:52 AM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: [TN] Removing calcium from water
> >>
> >> Yes, I've used one.
> >>
> >> The cost is about £30 sterling.
> >>
> >> They are maintenance free.
> >>
> >> They are claimed to last forever, as long as the magnetic field is
> >> present.
> >>
> >> They are not as good as a traditional water softener. I have found that
> >> they
> >> don't totally soften the water (they don't remove any chemicals). They
> >> work
> >> (I seem to remember) by aligning all the ions in the water the same way
> >> which some how stops the hard water chemicals from sticking to
> anything.
> >>
> >> If you need to remove the hard water chemicals use a traditional water
> >> softener (Resin type)
> >>
> >>
> >> ===== Original Message from [log in to unmask] (TechNet E-Mail Forum.) at
> >> 15/06/99 20:10
> >> >Has anybody heard of, or used a device that is basically a magnetic
> type
> >> >filter (so I'm told) that is used in line to soften water.
> >> >
> >> >If so I would appreciate any info:
> >> > - approx cost compared to typical water softner
> >> > - maintenance
> >> > - life expectancy
> >> > - efficiency
> >> >
> >> >Ted
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