at least we will know where to go to get some lead when we DO need it...
-----Original Message-----
From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE)
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:08 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] RoHS review
From one jouster to another, I've seen Coyotes in the Valley with tattoos and pierced ears, but none sporting clays.
Dewey
-----Original Message-----
From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:37 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] RoHS review
Hmmmmmmmmm tilting at windmills.................!!
At least I can use lead in the cartridges for sporting
clays...........................but in that regard wouldn't mind using steel
shot..
Anyone in the bay area want to get together one weekend for letting some
lead fly at sporting clays at Coyote Valley Sporting Clays in Morgan Hill -
let me know.....
John Burke
(408) 515 4992
-----Original Message-----
From: Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:30 AM
To: (Leadfree Electronics Assembly Forum); John Burke
Subject: RE: [LF] RoHS review
John,
I want to personally thank you again for trying. The Spirit of Don Quixote
is still alive and well.
Dewey
-----Original Message-----
From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] RoHS review
I cannot see any degree or ratyionality in any review while this type of
viewpoint persists note this comment in the email below:
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Furthermore, concerning your request for exemption for "All electronics
assemblies using lead in solder", I can inform you that the Commission has
taken the view that it does not meet the requirements of Article 5 (1) (b)
of the RoHS Directive. In fact, alternatives for lead in solders clearly
exist and are widely used
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Dear Mr Burke,
Thank you for your e-mail of 4 June 2007 on Directive 2002/95/EC on the
restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and
electronic equipment (RoHS).
The sixth stakeholder consultation on a package of exemptions closed on 10
January 2007. The non-confidential stakeholder submissions to this
consultation are published at the following web site:
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/weee/events_en.htm.
The Commission has also concluded a Technical Assistance Contract with the
Öko-Institut, Institut für angewandte Ökologie e.V., Freiburg, for the
review of the exemption requests based on this Directive. The Öko-Institut
is reporting to the Commission at regular intervals. The report is expected
to be finalised in October 2007. Once the report has been finalised, it
will be published on the above mentioned website as well.
Furthermore, concerning your request for exemption for "All electronics
assemblies using lead in solder", I can inform you that the Commission has
taken the view that it does not meet the requirements of Article 5 (1) (b)
of the RoHS Directive. In fact, alternatives for lead in solders clearly
exist and are widely used.
Best regards,
Anna Passera
European Commission
Environment DG
ENV.G.4 - Sustainable Production & Consumption
John Burke
(408) 515 4992
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From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Robertson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 3:08 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] RoHS review
Hi Joe
I think the key point is that once the politicians have taken a certain
line they have difficulty deviating from it.
It seems to me the key is for industry to engage in the present studies
by providing objectively defensible evidence regarding, for example,
potential restrictions on other substances. Once the present studies
have finished the process of evidence gathering will be essentially over
and it will be difficult to change minds from then on.
I was at a meeting yesterday and one person brought up their use of Be
in BeCu springs - quite a common application. From their perspective,
the Be is essential to provide the performance they need. It is
technical information supporting this assertion which needs to be fed
into the study now. I appreciate this involves effort but is, I
suggest, preferable to sitting back and waiting to see what comes out of
the studies which will be based on whatever information the consultants
happen to find and is submitted (or not) by others.
Best regards
Chris
Tel: +44 (0)1372 36 7204
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PS By the way we aren't doing these studies, Oko is.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Fjelstad [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 08 November 2007 13:17
Subject: Re: ERA commissioned to do RoHS review
Thanks Chris
>From the link...
"The whole life cycles of substances should be considered and lead in
solders provides a good example of why. Lead is clearly a toxic material
but a full life cycle assessment comparing tin/lead solders with
lead-free solders carried out by the US EPA showed that the lead-free
alternatives were not better (or worse) but different and overall
provide no benefit to the environment, especially if lead is adequately
controlled. The results of this LCA are not enough to allow an exemption
for lead in solders now that lead is restricted by RoHS but would have
been substantive evidence when the restriction of lead under RoHS was
first considered"
I guess that last sentance says is all (i.e. "Don't bother me with
facts after I've made up my mind"... :-(
Thanks again,
Joe
In a message dated 11/8/2007 2:01:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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http://www.era.co.uk/news/rfa_feature_16d.asp
http://www.era.co.uk/news/rfa_feature_16d.asp
Regards,
Chris
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