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Jim Smith <[log in to unmask]>
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Leadfree Electronics Assembly E-Mail Forum.
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Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:21:08 -0500
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Erik:

Why, oh why, is it so difficult to get IPC and the industry in general to back pragmatic recycling rather than the cosmetic "feel good" nonsense of removing lead from solder? Recycling attacks the lead pollution problem. Taking lead out of solder merely
shifts the pollution burden to other metals and other geographic regions.

Well done, sir.

Jim Smith
Managing Director
Cambridge Management Sciences, Inc.
4285 45th St. S.
St. Petersburg, FL 33711-4431
Tel: (727)866-6502 ext. 21
Fax: (727)867-7890
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"" wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The discussion is far from new, but I do fancy this kind of contributions. Particularly because lead-free soldering has become a marketing issue rather than an environmental issue.
>
> Yes, in perspective the contribution of lead in soldered electronics is comparatively small. (Please tell Mrs. Walstrom, the European commissioner for environmental affairs.) However, sustainability is a must, as was shown again in a couple of impressive
> contribution in the recent Berlin conference EGG-2000+. This implies that as many as possible large as well as small contribution to environmental impact should be minimized, including lead in solders.
>
> Taking into account that electronic and electro-technical waste will reach values of tens of percents of the municipal waste in Europe on short term, the WEEE directive, having the goal of separate collection and recycling of this waste, deserves strong
> support. The ban of substances is meant to simplify this recycling.
> The problem now is, that this ban, as present in today's proposal, has been decided on based more on emotional than on technical arguments.
> What remains now is to develop the right technical arguments for the proper choice of the best alternatives. This includes that a thorough ECO-impact analysis (LCA) of the banned substances and their alternatives "from craddle to grave" should be carried
> out. Why, for heaven's sake, is no one willing to raise the budgets for that?
>
> Regards,
> Erik
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Erik E. de Kluizenaar
> Philips CFT - Electronic Packaging & Joining (EP&J)
> Building SAQ-p,  p/o box 218,  5600 MD Eindhoven - The Netherlands
> Tel/Fax: (+31 40 27) 36679/36815;    E:mail  [log in to unmask]
> PHILIPS worldwide homepage:  http://www.philips.com
> Internal PHILIPS only:   http://pww.cft.philips.com/cfteurope/electronics/elpajo/index.htm
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>
> [log in to unmask]@[log in to unmask] on 2000/11/13 09:16:28 AM
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> Subject:        [LF] AW: [LF] OT Proportions
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> Hallo to all,
>
> just a few days ago I've got a statistic on lead consumtion worldwide - let
> me give you some numbers out of it:
>     80.81 % storage batteries (have look into your car !)
>       4.69 % ammunition
>       1.40 % cable covering
>       0.49 % electronic solder
>
> By the way: I've made up a short calculation which shows: the lead quantity
> within one car battery is the same as on ~ 30,000 square meters of printed
> boards.
> This needs no further comment - or does it ?
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Dieter Schmidt
> (Product-Engineer)
> SEL Defense Systems
> PO-Box 1760
> D-75117 Pforzheim
> Tel.: +49 7231 15 3386
> Fax: +49 7231 15 3390
> eMail: [log in to unmask]
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von:  Brian Ellis [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Gesendet am:  Sonntag, 12. November 2000 10:35
> > An:   [log in to unmask]
> > Betreff:      [LF] OT Proportions
> >
> > Today is the start of the "hunting" season in this little island.
> > According to the newspapers, there will be 50,000 so-called "sportsmen"
> > in the hills, each using an average of 25 cartridges with 20 g of lead
> > shot (yes, it is still used). They take pot shots at anything that they
> > think that moves, whether suitable for the pot or not (occasionally at
> > each other, as well, but perhaps not frequently enough). This makes me
> > thing we are talking about 25,000 kg of finely divided, easily oxidised,
> > lead particles scattered indiscriminately over the whole countryside,
> > just in one day. If we take the 24 official days when hunting is
> > permitted plus all the poaching that occurs, we are therefore talking
> > about 500 to 1000 tonnes of lead.
> >
> > There is virtually no electronics industry in this country, so nearly
> > all the tin/lead alloy imported is in finished products plus the odd
> > reels of solder used by TV repair workshops. With a total population of
> > about 500,000 in the free part of the country, the finished products
> > will be essentially TV sets, computers and (above all) cellphones (we
> > have proportionally the highest density of cellphones in the world,
> > according to the newspapers). How much solder will there be in the
> > 50,000 TVs, 75,000 PCs/monitors and 150,000 cellphones imported per
> > year? 1 tonne or maybe 2 tonnes, 40% of which is lead: less than
> > 1/1000th the amount of lead scattered about by hunters.
> >
> > Where is our sense of proportion?
> >
> > Brian
> >
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