Bob Landman obviously knows the difference between absolute "environmentalism" and its intelligent application. The latter is called
"Industrial Ecology", which happens to be the title of a book published
in 1995, by the two authors mentioned below. Lead-free solder was determined
to be anti-environmental in that 1995 book.
The challenge is one of education. To reflexively condemn all those dumb politicians and environmentalists is counter-productive. Let's learn and teach Industrial Ecology. That means cost-benefit analysis applied to the entire system,
through the entire life cycle of "contaminant" substances and their alternatives.
In general, we would find that PCBs (halogenated polyphenyls) are indeed bad period, But DDT can be selectively applied, and so can Pb. (Don't put tetraethyl lead in gasoline). We would re-establish that there are few absolutes in the world and that most substance risks and benefits are dosage-dependent. People have died from too much hydrogen dioxide.
I think, bottom line, that we are faced with a human problem. People like simple answers in a scenario of action-reaction per Newton's 3d Law. With the advent of the Industrial Revolution, we humans began polluting the earth indiscriminately.
We didn't know any better. When we did learn better, the game looked like Industry, the bad guys, vs. the "environmentalists". the good guys.
Well it is time to change that game. Memo to the human species: TIME TO GROW UP.
The authors of "Industrial Ecology" and many subsequent books on the topic:
Braden R. Allenby (born 1950) is an American environmental scientist, environmental attorney and Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering, and of Law, at Arizona State University.
Thomas E.
Graedel is Clifton R. Musser Professor of Industrial Ecology, Professor
of Chemical Engineering, Professor of Geology and Geophysics, and
Director of the Center for Industrial Ecology at Yale University. He is
the author of Streamlined Life-Cycle Assessment and lead author or coauthor of a number of other books.
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From: Bob Landman <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 10:43:16 AM
Subject: Re: [LF] Toxic-free computer
Denny,
Spot on indeed. My company will speak up. We are an environmentally responsible company.
The RoHS banning of lead was idiotic and definitely NOT green.
We have to continue to use tin-lead solder until a PROVEN replacement exists. One that has been proven by extended studies (studies that last far longer than JESD-201 dictates). We don't yet have the years of experience with lead-free materials but we know, based on what is being said here, it's not going to be good news.
Lead is not perfect, but it is, thus far, the best antidote nature has provided us with. Perhaps, besides being the best shield for radiation, we'll discover, after much research and many billions of dollars being spent on replacements, that lead remains, by far, the only substance to suppress tin whiskers.
Won't that be a interesting discovery? And then what will we do?
Landfills are still swelling with discarded electronics in the EU and the USA (and I'm sure everywhere else on the planet).
Why didn't the EU first make compulsory, environmentally sound recycling?
If lead in landfills is such a problem, then perhaps finally we'll do what should have been done in the first place? Keep the disposed of products OUT OF THE LANDFILLS and properly recycle them (which by the way, saves energy).
Whiskers cause the failure of electronic products long before consumers and industry are ready to replace them. There are a lot more electronics products than cell phones. Using them as the metric for banning substances for the entire industry is gross mistake as they have a short useful life span. As Joe Fjelstad points out, saying 3 years is an adequate lifespan for durable goods is nonsense.
While it can't be proved (yet) that some of Toyota's problems stem from the adoption of lead-free manufacturing, we know that the automotive environment is a severe mix of heat, cold, vibration and humidity.
What has been done is very bad for the environment.
Sincerely,
Bob Landman
H&L Instruments, LLC
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From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dennis Fritz
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] Toxic-free computer
WOW, YOU SURE KNOW HOW TO GET MY BLOOD BOILING ON A SNOWY INDIANA MORNING!!!!!!
I am absolutely SICK of the over use of the word "TOXIC". Conjures up horrible images of all of us being poisoned by typing responses on our laptops.
By whose definition is something "toxic"? Used to be that we depended on our governments to make that decision. In the US, we have had the "Toxic Substances Control Act" with a methodology to report the nature of "toxic" hazards - ingestion, breathing, skin contact, etc. Seemed pretty orderly - BUT IT DID NOT OUTLAW CHEMICALS AT A PACE SATISFACTORY TO "GREEN" ORGANIZATIONS.
By politicizing "TOXIC" political candidates, particularly in the European Union, began to be elected for their stance on "TOXIC". The result has been the RoHS regulations where if there is any chance of harm - eleminate the substance - our wonderful RoHS regulations banning lead - even if we now solder 40 C hottter and tear up untold rain forests to dig up more tin metal. A bit more sensible has been REACh - where supposedly there is to be a cost/benefit analysis before banning chemicals. The whole world is watching the EU unpile from the hundreds of thousands of applications they have received for subsance use under REACh.
Finally, I refer you to the the E-PEAT website trying to catagorize the "green-ness" of electronic equipment -
http://www.epeat.net/
There, you will see the grading system drawn up for the "required" properties of computers, monitors, and being extended to other electronic equipment. Then, the percentage completion of "optional" factors give an OEM a Bronze, Silver, or Gold rating. - Call it the Electronics Olympics since the winter games are coming this weekend. While I do not personally agree with all the factors - lead-free, halogen free, etc, I do agree with factors such as easy disassembly for recycle, % recylced material used, etc.
Now, Greenpeace seems upset with the pace of E-PEAT, and has taken to grading electronics on their own. Your posting is just their latest bow-shot. They had a booth at the January Consumer Electronics Show to publicize the the same thing.
This is not scientific - it is ENVIRONMENTAL DICTATORSHIP BY GREENPEACE AND WHATEVER THEIR AGENDA HAPPENS TO BE. No companies dare speak up - they would not be "GREEN".
How about some new slogans - techies?
Relaibale is GREEN - I don't need new electronics every 2 years
It is "TIN-RISK" solder - not Lead-Free.
"TIN-RISK" components give us tin whiskers.
"GREEN" is a halogen containing pigment!
Denny Fritz
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From: Pedro Tort <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:04 am
Subject: [LF] Toxic-free computer
I doubt anyone can assure something is absolutely toxic-free, (remember the osts to this forum long time ago about the dangerous Dihydrogen Monoxide?) ut the Greenpeace gurus look to be sure enough to bless this Indian Greenware”.
<http://www.evertiq.com/news/16170> http://www.evertiq.com/news/16170
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