Hello John,
If companies want to be comply with the RoHS directive and with the DTI
advice flow (UK government guidance August 2005) to make reasonable
components analysis and complete the cycle of tests in a reasonable time as
per DTI recommendation, its should be managed by a well known lab institute
and the finding should be stored in a data base for sharing by the members
paying the membership payment.
I think its can be a worldwide project of data base sharing results per
supplier catalogue and batch number.
It will give the industry fast response and reasonable costs for the RoHS
requirements.
I will be happy if this suggestion will be adopted by IPC, Soldertec or
other institute as a worldwide project.
Best Regards
Reuven ROKAH
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Reuven,
I find it interesting that you suggest having a national metrology
institute of some non-industry institution handle the collection and
exchange of composition information. What concerns lead you to make this
suggestion?
We hear from our NIST Electronics and Electrical Engineering Laboratory
that a number of companies are developing software tools for data entry and
dissemination. I have heard that one plan would use declarations forms in
pdf format with software conversion of the information to XML for database
compatibility. We also know the automotive industry has a sophisticated
system for data exchange. We will hear about these products and options at
our workshop here at NIST next month. I expect to hear also about the
concerns of companies for data confidentiality and validation.
John Sieber
NIST
At 02:00 AM 9/4/2005, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I am checking in Israel the possibility to share our RoHS tests and other
>companies RoHS tests in a bank of tests results which will be managed by
>well known Laboratory institute (like the Israeli std. Institute) and all
>the "members" will be able to share the results.
>The payment for the membership will be according the costs of the tests
and
>the number of members.
>
>I believe it can be a world wide sharing so to RoHS tests and reply of
>results will be fast and with reasonable cost.
>
>If each company will perform their own tests, its will not be possible to
>cover all the components, suppliers in a cycle of one year.
>
>Best Regards
>
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>Ioan,
>Some level of incoming inspection for RoHS compliance will be a reality,
>no matter how many CoCs you have.
>
>Whether you as an OEM or your EMS does it, depends on how your contract
>is worded.
>
>For the handheld analytical XRFs - Niton, Oxford and InnovX and another
>that Phil Nuttig mentioned here about two weeks ago. For benchtop units
>there are Fischer, Shimadzu, Elvatech (Ukrainian) and Oxford (read
>Horiba for RoHS compliance). ThermoNoran make them, but I did not find
>the people I talked to very knowledgeable about RoHS. And I am sure
>there are quite a few others out there as well.
>
>Chromium (irrespective of oxidation state) can be found by XRF (if they
>can go low enough in the periodic table), AA and ICP-OES and even bench
>titrations can do it. But specifically for Cr (VI) the method listed is
>UV-visible spectroscopy.
>
>The brominated fire retardants are going to be tricky. XRF will show
>Br. But how is bonded in the product? And is a part of an allowed fire
>retardant (or at least not yet banned one)? Gas chromatography/mass
>spec (GCMS) is the way to go, but whether you buy one yourself or get it
>done outside, it is going to be $$$$. I have been quoted $300 (US) per
>sample (ignoring "volume discount" - as if I will be a lot at that
>price!!).
>
>If you are referring to the doc by the task group set by the EU to look
>at analytical methods, no, it is not approved, but it is as close to an
>official doc that I know of.
>Bev
>RIM
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>Hi Lead-free gang,
>
>how do you see the very near, too near, future of the incoming
>inspection? Will an EMS be responsible for checking the material, or
>it's rather the responsibility of the OEM to control the material
>through compliant AVLs and certificates of compliance from the
>suppliers? Of course the EMS will make sure to use lead-free materials.
>
>Now, in case the EMS will decide to inspect for RoHS compliance, what
>equipment is out there, that I could check? I only know of the hand
>helds from Niton that check for the metals, but not for the pbde and
>pbb.
>
>And, in the same line, the testing procedure available on Soldertech's
>web is still valid? Was it approved? Should I base the assessment of
>test equipment on the methods in this procedure?
>
>Thanks,
>Ioan
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