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Global e-Waste Recovery/Reclamation Revenues to Reach $14.7 Billion by 2015, According to ABI Research
http://www.electroiq.com/index/display/smt-wire-news/140627481.html
Joe
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From: Werner Engelmaier <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2010 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: [LF] Toxic-free computer
If lead in landfills is such a problem, then perhaps finally we'll do what
should have been done in the first place? Keep the disposed of products OUT OF
THE LANDFILLS and properly recycle them (which by the way, saves energy).
Hi Bob,
Please do not give any credence to the landfill issue. Lead in solder, and
almost any other form, does not leach in landfills. For leaching an acidic
environment is needed and landfills are basic.
Werner
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From: Bob Landman <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2010 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: [LF] Toxic-free computer
Denny,
Spot on indeed. My company will speak up. We are an environmentally
responsible company.
The RoHS banning of lead was idiotic and definitely NOT green.
We have to continue to use tin-lead solder until a PROVEN replacement exists.
One that has been proven by extended studies (studies that last far longer than
JESD-201 dictates). We don't yet have the years of experience with lead-free
materials but we know, based on what is being said here, it's not going to be
good news.
Lead is not perfect, but it is, thus far, the best antidote nature has provided
us with. Perhaps, besides being the best shield for radiation, we'll discover,
after much research and many billions of dollars being spent on replacements,
that lead remains, by far, the only substance to suppress tin whiskers.
Won't that be a interesting discovery? And then what will we do?
Landfills are still swelling with discarded electronics in the EU and the USA
(and I'm sure everywhere else on the planet).
Why didn't the EU first make compulsory, environmentally sound recycling?
If lead in landfills is such a problem, then perhaps finally we'll do what
should have been done in the first place? Keep the disposed of products OUT OF
THE LANDFILLS and properly recycle them (which by the way, saves energy).
Whiskers cause the failure of electronic products long before consumers and
industry are ready to replace them. There are a lot more electronics products
than cell phones. Using them as the metric for banning substances for the
entire industry is gross mistake as they have a short useful life span. As Joe
Fjelstad points out, saying 3 years is an adequate lifespan for durable goods is
nonsense.
While it can't be proved (yet) that some of Toyota's problems stem from the
adoption of lead-free manufacturing, we know that the automotive environment is
a severe mix of heat, cold, vibration and humidity.
What has been done is very bad for the environment.
Sincerely,
Bob Landman
H&L Instruments, LLC
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From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dennis Fritz
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] Toxic-free computer
WOW, YOU SURE KNOW HOW TO GET MY BLOOD BOILING ON A SNOWY INDIANA MORNING!!!!!!
I am absolutely SICK of the over use of the word "TOXIC". Conjures up horrible
images of all of us being poisoned by typing responses on our laptops.
By whose definition is something "toxic"? Used to be that we depended on our
governments to make that decision. In the US, we have had the "Toxic Substances
Control Act" with a methodology to report the nature of "toxic" hazards -
ingestion, breathing, skin contact, etc. Seemed pretty orderly - BUT IT DID
NOT OUTLAW CHEMICALS AT A PACE SATISFACTORY TO "GREEN" ORGANIZATIONS.
By politicizing "TOXIC" political candidates, particularly in the European
Union, began to be elected for their stance on "TOXIC". The result has been
the RoHS regulations where if there is any chance of harm - eleminate the
substance - our wonderful RoHS regulations banning lead - even if we now solder
40 C hottter and tear up untold rain forests to dig up more tin metal. A bit
more sensible has been REACh - where supposedly there is to be a cost/benefit
analysis before banning chemicals. The whole world is watching the EU unpile
from the hundreds of thousands of applications they have received for subsance
use under REACh.
Finally, I refer you to the the E-PEAT website trying to catagorize the
"green-ness" of electronic equipment -
http://www.epeat.net/
There, you will see the grading system drawn up for the "required" properties of
computers, monitors, and being extended to other electronic equipment. Then,
the percentage completion of "optional" factors give an OEM a Bronze, Silver, or
Gold rating. - Call it the Electronics Olympics since the winter games are
coming this weekend. While I do not personally agree with all the factors -
lead-free, halogen free, etc, I do agree with factors such as easy disassembly
for recycle, % recylced material used, etc.
Now, Greenpeace seems upset with the pace of E-PEAT, and has taken to grading
electronics on their own. Your posting is just their latest bow-shot. They had
a booth at the January Consumer Electronics Show to publicize the the same
thing.
This is not scientific - it is ENVIRONMENTAL DICTATORSHIP BY GREENPEACE AND
WHATEVER THEIR AGENDA HAPPENS TO BE. No companies dare speak up - they would
not be "GREEN".
How about some new slogans - techies?
Relaibale is GREEN - I don't need new electronics every 2 years
It is "TIN-RISK" solder - not Lead-Free.
"TIN-RISK" components give us tin whiskers.
"GREEN" is a halogen containing pigment!
Denny Fritz
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From: Pedro Tort <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:04 am
Subject: [LF] Toxic-free computer
I doubt anyone can assure something is absolutely toxic-free, (remember the osts
to this forum long time ago about the dangerous Dihydrogen Monoxide?) ut the
Greenpeace gurus look to be sure enough to bless this Indian Greenware”.
<http://www.evertiq.com/news/16170> http://www.evertiq.com/news/16170
Pedro Tort
uality Manager
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AX. +34 937 142 072
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