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Charles Dolci <[log in to unmask]>
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Environmental Issues <[log in to unmask]>, Charles Dolci <[log in to unmask]>
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Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:26:09 -0700
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DDave:
   
  Go back and look at your original post. You said "It is interesting how he mentioned slaves so much, and used numbers in this presentation since 50 years ago would have been the 150th anniversary of the UK's decision to abolish it and we in the US were going through another transitory phase to full integration around the 1957 time frame." 
   
  In my reply I said "Britain tried (with little success)  to outlaw the slave TRADE (i.e. shipping slaves on British ships) within the empire in 1807, but it did not end slavery itself until 1833." 
  (emphasis in the original)
   
  Now you say "Events mark slave trade abolition"  So how am I wrong if you are agreeing with me? 
   
  Those ARE the facts. Check them at http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Lslavery33.htm.
  Banning the slave TRADE is not the same as banning slavery. If it was then Britain would not have had to pass the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833.   Legislating against the slave trade did not end slavery anywhere within the Empire. Britain's colonies in the Caribbean imported many more African slaves than the US. The British Caribbean took roughly 17%of the Atlantic slave trade  --- the territory that would later become the US took only 6%. And even most of that was while America was British colonies.   Even by 1825 British Caribbean still held 18% of the slaves in the new world.  So it was awfully nice of Britain to stop the trade but not free anyone when it had the power to do so.  Slavery was not abolished in the British territories until 1833.
   
  Why doesn't the US celebrate the 200th anniversary of its abolition of the slave trade in 1808?  Maybe I'll start planning something.
   
  Thanks for getting me the particulars on that "senator and the science fiction writer".  Crichton is a writer of science fiction, but he is more than that. Crichton graduated summa cum laude from Harvard College, received his MD from Harvard Medical School, and was a postdoctoral fellow at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, researching public policy. He has taught courses in anthropology at Cambridge University and writing at MIT.
   
  And thank you for confirming my point about Global Warming  advocates. Rather than listening to what he says and analyzing his arguments you just dismiss him out of hand. "Oh, he's ONLY a science fiction writer"
  That is the usual tactic of the GW advocates. 
   
  I suggest that you actually read what he says. http://www.crichton-official.com/
   
  Check out http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote05.html  I found that one to be very interesting.
  Chuck D.

MA/NY DDave <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
  Hi Chuck,

Well YOU Chuck better start getting your facts straight.

Here is a link from the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6491727.stm

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Events mark slave trade abolition 

Campaigners in England walked 250 miles in yokes and chains 
A number of events have taken place in Scotland to mark the 200th 
anniversary of Britain's abolition of the slave trade. 
Church leaders and politicians joined a walk from Musselburgh to Inveresk 
Lodge, the former home of plantation owner James Wedderburn. 
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Yours in Engineering, MA/NY DDave

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