Chuck and all

The debate was very constructive and the case for global warming
non-CRISIS is very good.  I think that Crichton and others argue that
global warming is a problem and that human contribution to it is a factor,
but that relative costs, relative to addressing other problems, should
determine actions taken.

I think that in our generally admitted ignorance-- and all sides recognize
that-- it is a good argument. Till the fog of indeterminate causation is
penetrated we can defer the most expensive and drastic steps.  We can all
agree on need for alternative energy sources and the need to reduce
energy-intensive activities, like tin mining to make lead-free solder.

Harvey Miller 

 
--- Charles Dolci <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> DDave:
>    
>   Go back and look at your original post. You said "It is interesting
> how he mentioned slaves so much, and used numbers in this presentation
> since 50 years ago would have been the 150th anniversary of the UK's
> decision to abolish it and we in the US were going through another
> transitory phase to full integration around the 1957 time frame." 
>    
>   In my reply I said "Britain tried (with little success)  to outlaw the
> slave TRADE (i.e. shipping slaves on British ships) within the empire in
> 1807, but it did not end slavery itself until 1833." 
>   (emphasis in the original)
>    
>   Now you say "Events mark slave trade abolition"  So how am I wrong if
> you are agreeing with me? 
>    
>   Those ARE the facts. Check them at
> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Lslavery33.htm.
>   Banning the slave TRADE is not the same as banning slavery. If it was
> then Britain would not have had to pass the Slavery Abolition Act in
> 1833.   Legislating against the slave trade did not end slavery anywhere
> within the Empire. Britain's colonies in the Caribbean imported many
> more African slaves than the US. The British Caribbean took roughly
> 17%of the Atlantic slave trade  --- the territory that would later
> become the US took only 6%. And even most of that was while America was
> British colonies.   Even by 1825 British Caribbean still held 18% of the
> slaves in the new world.  So it was awfully nice of Britain to stop the
> trade but not free anyone when it had the power to do so.  Slavery was
> not abolished in the British territories until 1833.
>    
>   Why doesn't the US celebrate the 200th anniversary of its abolition of
> the slave trade in 1808?  Maybe I'll start planning something.
>    
>   Thanks for getting me the particulars on that "senator and the science
> fiction writer".  Crichton is a writer of science fiction, but he is
> more than that. Crichton graduated summa cum laude from Harvard College,
> received his MD from Harvard Medical School, and was a postdoctoral
> fellow at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, researching public
> policy. He has taught courses in anthropology at Cambridge University
> and writing at MIT.
>    
>   And thank you for confirming my point about Global Warming  advocates.
> Rather than listening to what he says and analyzing his arguments you
> just dismiss him out of hand. "Oh, he's ONLY a science fiction writer"
>   That is the usual tactic of the GW advocates. 
>    
>   I suggest that you actually read what he says.
> http://www.crichton-official.com/
>    
>   Check out
> http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote05.html  I found
> that one to be very interesting.
>   Chuck D.
> 
> MA/NY DDave <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>   Hi Chuck,
> 
> Well YOU Chuck better start getting your facts straight.
> 
> Here is a link from the BBC.
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6491727.stm
> 
> --------------------------------
> Events mark slave trade abolition 
> 
> Campaigners in England walked 250 miles in yokes and chains 
> A number of events have taken place in Scotland to mark the 200th 
> anniversary of Britain's abolition of the slave trade. 
> Church leaders and politicians joined a walk from Musselburgh to
> Inveresk 
> Lodge, the former home of plantation owner James Wedderburn. 
> --------------------------------
> 
> Yours in Engineering, MA/NY DDave
>