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Mark Larson <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:32:02 -0500
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Hey, I started in 1977 too, doing double sided surface mount boards no
less, I was lucky not only for that but because my manager had seen fit
to join IPC and get the COMPLETE set of documents. Wasn't a word on SMT
in it though at the time. I had no alternative but to look at assembled
boards and talk to the guy that was in charge of the SMT line (everybody
did mfg in house back then)Since I had no idea what I was doing and
there was nobody to tell me I had no choice but to read the IPC specs
and the Bishop catalog.  Little did I know that's the way you SHOULD
learn pcb design.

Well I guess you'll have to substitute an experienced designer for the
Bishop catalog now. Anybody get fewer than 1 wrong on the test?

-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Steve Smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:55 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam


I agree.  I, like Bill Brooks, sweated through the exam and was very
nervous while waiting for the results (87%, would have been 90% if I had
not gone back and changed some of my answers); not only because the test
was hard but because I, not my company, would have to foot the bill if I
did not pass.  I also believe the test to be a valuable tool and not
easy, but some people have great short term memory and do test well no
matter the subject.

The "rookie" at my test was being forced to take the test by a
supervisor even though this person had never layed out a board before.
This person barely passed and I believe will go on to be a good designer
but I would not recommend anyone without 2+ years of experience try it.
I would never dream that anyone but a very experienced designer could
pass the C.I.D.+ test.  I have been designing boards since 1977 and have
not convinced myself to take it, and the stress, yet.


My regards,
Steve Smith, C.I.D.
Product Engineer

Staco Energy Products Co.
301 Gaddis Boulevard.
Dayton, OH 45403
Telephone: (937) 253-1191 Ext. 158
Fax: (937) 253-1723
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com
& www.stacopower.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> Brand, Rodney
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:18 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam
>
>
> I think that C.I.D. Certification Exam is a great idea. The only bad
> point is that it can not measure the ability of the person to apply
> and comprehend the material included in the study guides.
>
> I have see a mechanical designer study the material and pass the test
> with better scores than a EE designer then fail to apply the knowledge

> to designs. Which later resulted in dismissal and a quick hire at
> another place and another dismal after nonperformance. Some people
> have great memories and test really well.
>
> My conclusion is that if you can read the technical jargon
> contained and
> remember it then you will pass the test ill regardless of the
> ability to
> apply the contents.
>
> My observations and conclusions are my own and not my employers.
>
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